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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:31 pm 
 

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Do not sell to eBay member hang_the_hobbits!!!!.  I have a name and an address if you're interested.  Email me.  Maybe you have a different name for her?

This person is clearly skilled at eBay extortion and theft.  More follows:

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I've recently run afoul of someone I believe this board to be well acquainted with.  I've done a few hours of reading, and a few hours of phone, and I've decided to take up this particular project.

I'm a casual collector and seller (eBay) and mostly sell/buy on eBay for fun and to expand my various silly collections.  This is my first post on this site - I usually lurk a site for more than a few hours - please excuse me if I've posted this incorrectly (I'll correct anything asked of me).

To the point, I will not be extorted.  Not for a dollar, not for a penny.

I'm going to take this as far as I can.  I'm going to conserve my energy so I don't get crazy about it.  I'm gunna play a nice slow game, and keep the tempo up.  I've contacted PayPal and I believe I currently have the information to suspend this account, but I want more.  I suspect more can be found here, on this board.

I will respond to all email, pms and posts.

Thanks very much for your time.  If you would like to know more about me personally, please feel free to email me.

This is the single oddest post I've ever made on any bbs.


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:41 pm 
 

Well, an interesting first post, certainly.

Are you going to expand on the individual that you are dealing with, as by the sound of it, there may be others here who are already aware of any dubious dealings.

edit - or is the seller 'hang_the_hobbits' ?


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:45 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Well, an interesting first post, certainly.

Are you going to expand on the individual that you are dealing with, as by the sound of it, there may be others here who are already aware of any dubious dealings.

edit - or is the seller 'hang_the_hobbits' ?




The buyer is hang_the_hobbits!!!!.



This link is her feedback left for others.  You'll note a large amount of negatives left for sellers, and a lot of mad seller comments.



Here's a link to a thread (on this bbs) about hang_the_hobbits!!!!.  This is a thread of Acaeum Members talking about who they put on thier eBay Blocked Buyers List (hang_the_hobbits!!!! is in nearly all lists posted).



Here is a link for hang_the_hobbits!!!! previous eBay user names.


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:09 pm 
 

Not that he needs it but I can vouch for Ubercat here. I've been acquainted with him for a few years on another forum and he's a stand-up guy.

Wish I could help you out with the problem... Not sure I have anything else to add.

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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:33 pm 
 

hang_the_hobbits rings a bad bell. I remember that name from a while back here at the forum.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:45 am 
 

Despite warnings on the Acaeum, I actually purchased some modules from hang_the_hobbits about a year ago. When I realized who the seller was, I worried, thinking I had just thrown $30+ down the drain.

Surprisingly, everything arrived in excellent and better than described condition faster than many other sellers I've dealt with. This is not to say that this person is always reliable, but I just thought I'd toss out there that sometimes transactions with this individual aren't always crummy.

Or maybe I'm just an exception...

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:59 am 
 

I seem to recall that hang_the_hobbits reputation came not as a seller, but rather as a buyer.  Were they the one who hated resellers?

Or maybe it was both, as I'm tempted to say that they also shilled their own auctions.

(I'd check, but that's too much work. ;))


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:28 pm 
 

I just reviewed the feedback and there is no indication of serious (or any) problems as a seller.

And, although they seem quick to leave negatives for buyers... I reviewed the listings and the seller feedback.  They definitely leave more negatives than most.  They also buy things that are obviously high risk.... like low feedback sellers who are selling dvd's and use "borrowed" images.  Most of the sellers they neg have very low dsr's and many have a ton of negative feedback.  

If HtH has

a propensity to neg when perhaps they should not... it's over shipping charges.  They seem to demand shipping refunds when people overcharge $3 or so for shipping.  And, they are willing to neg over it.  This is particularly problematic for people who are selling small books and dvd's and are trying to charge $6 for shipping.  Frankly, the sellers they neg shouldn't be charging that much for shipping things that can go out for a couple of bucks in an envelope and hang the hobbit could let dsr's take care of that problem without negs.

Further, there is no way I would buy from over half the people they neg...  and I thought I was one of the most free wheeling buyers around, lol.

As is usual, I no nothing about this vendor from years ago.  I just read and summarized observations from the feedback.

I will not be adding them to my blocked bidder list, because I don't appear to do the things that cause them to neg people.  If you overcharge shipping.... this buyer might scare you!  hehe.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:36 pm 
 

A quick response.  I ship for free, quickly, and my items are priced well and the condition is always graded a bit lower than it actually is.

The idea that this woman is just a harsh judge was laughed off by my PayPal contact.

This buyer looks for any reason (read: no tracking) to file a dispute, which is immediately escalated to a claim.  I'm a bettin' man, and I'd bet good _____ing money that this buyer waits for untracked packages, then files a claim.  The only thing I couldn't figure out was why.  It came to me last night.  She takes the free products and resells under a different name.  Also, she gets an opportunity to give bad feedback for a competitor.  This explains why she 'seems to be' a decent seller.

Fact is, she is a decent seller if it wasn't for the fact that she seems steal from people to stock her shops.

I'll post the entire rundown when I email it over to PayPal, eBay, and USPS.  I've got a few more days to collect information before I submit it.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:58 pm 
 

Can we dig up some other people's dealing with her?

...'cause I wonder if you could uses these discussions as evidence against her.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:04 pm 
 

Where's Bclarkie when you need him?

Is he ok?

...guy's been AWOL since the end of August.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:30 pm 
 

That's a nasty scam but paypal/ebay can clearly tell if she is doing that.  The rest of us only see what is in the feedback.  I would presume they will suspend the account if it is clear that is what she is doing.

Be careful to protect yourself here.  A bit of discretion is wise.  It is far easier to prove libel than to prove fraud.  There are posters here prone to leaping across that line and presenting opinions as fact.

You can follow the processes outlined by ebay and paypal and gather information without creating liability for yourself.  And, as a bonus, the more careful you are about it, the more credible your arguments will be.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:42 pm 
 

I get it pip.  Thanks.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:51 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:Can we dig up some other people's dealing with her?

...'cause I wonder if you could uses these discussions as evidence against her.


I have sold to her on two occassions. The first time she had some sort of beef and I am pretty sure I sent her some hush money. The second time went fine.
I need to go back and check my feedback, but it sure rings a bell. Maybe four months ago.
But to be honest, I get at least one of these deals every 30-50 sales.
Ebay has set the system to make it simple and without risk for a buyer to commit feedback extortion.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:56 pm 
 

Center_Stage wrote:Or maybe I'm just an exception...

8O




Nope.  She sells quickly.  She's a 'good seller'.  Without all this crazy PayPal activity (claims), and the obvious submarining, this buyer/seller would be an asset to ebay.



I dunno.  To me, it smells like a gamer playing eBay like a computer game.  Mini-maxing all the corners.  My gut tells me that if I contacted the negs in her Left For Others I'd find that most didn't track the package.



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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:58 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:But to be honest, I get at least one of these deals every 30-50 sales.
Ebay has set the system to make it simple and without risk for a buyer to commit feedback extortion.


That's a lot more than I get.  Do you do gaming stuff only?  Wide range of stuff?  Curious about that.

But I do agree, the waters have been a bit more red these last six months.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:11 pm 
 

Well, I was 100% right.

The same item I sold to this person is now marked up 100% on her shop site.

I paid the hush money (refunded) and left pos feedback and she left me pos feedback.

She's slick.  All the way down to the four exclamation points at the end of her handle (preventing simple cut and paste).  She's a pro.

Oh, and pip, I've got all the proof I need to say whatever I want now.  She's a pro eBay extortionist/theif.  No need to warn me of impending legal doom.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:57 pm 
 

If she posted it, you need to send the info to eBay and to the Post Office. That is mail fraud.


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