Hi guys---



I'm the sucker who bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0346650702



It turns out the that the rules and supplements are well-annotated in pencil and pen, in particular the first GH, but also including the reference sheets, all of the core three rulebooks, and Chainmail.  BM's actually clean, except for the page 46 dungeon map colored in with magic marker.  GD&H is in excellent condition, except for the water damage warping present on the cover that smears the owner's name on the cover sheet and continues through basically to the end of the book (though getting smaller as you proceed through the book).  



I've been trying to work out an amicable return with the seller, given that he clearly didn't describe the books accurately in the Q&A, but he's not willing to do that, he decided tonight.  So, I'll take it to eBay/Paypal/my credit card.



What's my best approach to try to get a full refund on this set?  The seller maintains that because he said the box was only in "good" condition (nearly all of the corners are blown and held together with tape), and that the books were "used" that it doesn't matter that his descriptions were inaccurate.  More specifically that:

pepsigalore in Q&A on the auction with emphasis from grodog wrote:
Q:  Better pictures please? What printing? Photos of the box both top and bottom with condition descriptions. What is the name written on the cover... Are there names, marks in books, box, and/or rusty staples, etc.         Jun-02-09
A:  1874 second edition. Box shows wear, but all there. My name. No, no, no, & no.

The way I'm reading this, that's my linchpin, since his response of no marks in books, no marks in box, no rusty staples, no "etc." is what lead me to believe that the set was well-worn, but in good shape on the inside.



Am I off-base here?  Any and all opinions and guidance are sought, since I haven't had to deal with an eBay dispute before, much less a $1500 one.  



Thanks!

Allan, I was the one who sent the first listed question (Dated the day after the other two though), about wanting bigger pictures.
They were promised and never posted.
Never got any sent to me by E-Mail either.

I got the empression (Right or wrong) that the seller was an old person with little or no experience with photo equipment and computers......

It took a few days to get the response that was posted to the listing.

I think you have a VERY valid argument and I cannot see any way for the seller to argue against your side of this.

Simply put, the dude has no leg to stand on here.
His own written words damn him.....
NO NO NO and NO....

Obviously, you should KEEP all E-Mails, including those involved in the transaction and the ones involved in your question before the listing ended.

I would Lodge complaints and reversal of charges to all the above (E-Bay/Paypal/Your Credit Card Guys) IMMEDIATELY if not sooner.

Hey, I just saved you 1500 bucks   I was actually just trying to figure out if it was a famous gamers' copy.... lol.  But, the no, no, no, no crap totally rubbed me the wrong way.  Glad it's evidence for you!  Good luck with Paypal, this should be clear cut Significantly Not as Described.

grodog wrote:Hi guys---

I'm the sucker who bought  
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It turns out the that the rules and supplements are well-annotated in pencil and pen, in particular the first GH, but also including the reference sheets, all of the core three rulebooks, and Chainmail.  BM's actually clean, except for the page 46 dungeon map colored in with magic marker.  GD&H is in excellent condition, except for the water damage warping present on the cover that smears the owner's name on the cover sheet and continues through basically to the end of the book (though getting smaller as you proceed through the book).  

I've been trying to work out an amicable return with the seller, given that he clearly didn't describe the books accurately in the Q&A, but he's not willing to do that, he decided tonight.  So, I'll take it to eBay/Paypal/my credit card.

What's my best approach to try to get a full refund on this set?  The seller maintains that because he said the box was only in "good" condition (nearly all of the corners are blown and held together with tape), and that the books were "used" that it doesn't matter that his descriptions were inaccurate.  More specifically that:



The way I'm reading this, that's my linchpin, since his response of no marks in books, no marks in box, no rusty staples, no "etc." is what lead me to believe that the set was well-worn, but in good shape on the inside.

Am I off-base here?  Any and all opinions and guidance are sought, since I haven't had to deal with an eBay dispute before, much less a $1500 one.  

Thanks!

Allan,



It looks like you paid with credit card. I would contact them and explain the situation. You paid 1500 for a collectable set. The set was in no way as advertised. The seller refuses to accept a return. Find out what you need to do from your credit card company first and how much time you have, what they need in the way of evidence, etc...



Take pictures of everything.



Contact ebay/paypal and tell them the item was Not As Described and you want to return it for a refund.



If paypal will not help and your credit card company will, then file a claim through your credit card company, but I have heard that this can cause problems with your paypal/ebay account.



Try to get it settled through paypal first (if you send it back you will need to be careful how it is sent, tracking, insurance, signature required, etc...)



But make sure you check with your credit card company and keep that in your back pocket as an ace you can drop if you need to.



Sorry to hear about this. This guy goes on my shady dealers list.

First off, I do hope you are able to get your money back...
ALL of it.

Second: After this thread and knowing how you were lied to by this seller, and the seller was not willing to make things right.

Once he gets the items back and if he re-lists it on E-Bay.
He may find the bids slow and far between next time.

I have no doubt that it WILL sell again and it might even sell for a similar price as this last time.
But if so, it is unlikely to be an Acaeum member.

grodog,

Horrible news.  Now go kick him square in da nuts and get your money back, fast.  

Good luck.

Best,

Paul

Good luck, bad let down on the 2nd print

All good advice above Allan. I have not done a dispute to that level, but I have disputed a $400 ish purchase.  I would start talking to your credit card company.  In the end, I have had to claim chargebacks through my credit card a few times over the last five years or so - and it is always pretty smooth.  Work with paypal if you can, but don't let the opportunity for your credit card company to refund slip past any arbitrary deadline. They are much more interested in keeping your business than paypal.  

Good luck mate!  

Don't even fight Good vs. Fair or whatever - it's subjective.  Just stick to writing vs. no writing - that's concrete.