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Post Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:39 pm 
 

I'm trying to figure which issues of Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron had the last 1E and 2E articles.

Dungeon is well marked in the index in the last issue - 17 has the last 1E and 81 has the last 2E.

As best I can tell from Dragondex, there is some overlap, but the last 1E article is in 159 and the last 2E is in 273.

I can't find a good resource to tell me about Polyhedron.  Does anyone know of one? (or have collections/notes such that they could figure it out)

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:03 pm 
 

TheHistorian wrote:I'm trying to figure which issues of Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron had the last 1E and 2E articles.

Dungeon is well marked in the index in the last issue - 17 has the last 1E and 81 has the last 2E.

As best I can tell from Dragondex, there is some overlap, but the last 1E article is in 159 and the last 2E is in 273.

I can't find a good resource to tell me about Polyhedron.  Does anyone know of one? (or have collections/notes such that they could figure it out)


Grodog posted an index that someone had compiled a couple years ago for Polyhedron here in this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=91592&highlight=polyhedron#91592

I haven't had a chance to check it out entirely to see if answers your question specifically, but that might be a good place to look.  I do have Polyhedrons 1-50 stored away and can check later if it doesn't.  

That said, 2nd edition came out around April or May of 1989, so just judging by the site here, I am figuring that it started to contain 2nd edition information and material somewhere in the #43-#47 range, if that helps at all. :)


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bclarkie wrote:
Grodog posted an index that someone had compiled a couple years ago for Polyhedron here in this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=91592&highlight=polyhedron#91592

I haven't had a chance to check it out entirely to see if answers your question specifically, but that might be a good place to look.  I do have Polyhedrons 1-50 stored away and can check later if it doesn't.  

That said, 2nd edition came out around April or May of 1989, so just judging by the site here, I am figuring that it started to contain 2nd edition information and material somewhere in the #43-#47 range, if that helps at all. :)


Yeah, I had already grabbed that index.  It's a nice article index, but doesn't help on this question.  Thanks though!

Based on when the Dragon and Dungeon cutoffs are, my best guesses at the moment for Polyhedron are about 48-54 for 1E and 142-143 for 2E.

Someone is going to know the answer to this question, I can feel it!  (Or said another way, someone please save me from assembling a run just to find out)

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:51 pm 
 

TheHistorian wrote:
Yeah, I had already grabbed that index.  It's a nice article index, but doesn't help on this question.  Thanks though!

Based on when the Dragon and Dungeon cutoffs are, my best guesses at the moment for Polyhedron are about 48-54 for 1E and 142-143 for 2E.

Someone is going to know the answer to this question, I can feel it!  (Or said another way, someone please save me from assembling a run just to find out)


The first 3E Polyhedron is #144, which makes #143 the last 2E material.  I believe there was also a break of a few months between issues.

I think the 1E cutoff is in the 50s...

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:55 pm 
 

I don't have the Poly split handy, but per my notes @ http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh ... ml#dungeon the split from 1e/2e in Dungeon was between issues 56 and 70, and issue 82 is the first 3e issue (3.0).


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:29 am 
 

grodog wrote:I don't have the Poly split handy, but per my notes @ http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh ... ml#dungeon the split from 1e/2e in Dungeon was between issues 56 and 70, and issue 82 is the first 3e issue (3.0).


Gro that list is whacked  :D   You need to seriously adjust it, the last "official" 1E adventure in Dungeon was issue #17, the mag had long switched to 2E before 56...However, it took a few issues before references in Dungeon totally referred to 2E books instead of 1E ones (especially when it came to monsters, since TSR first released those goofy monstrous compendium notebooks instead of the hardback Monstrous Compendium).  However, I can assure you by 1995 (issue #56) the switch had long been made.  Right now I'm looking through Dungeon #30, and every adventure here is thoroughly 2E.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:38 am 
 

I started to leaf through some of the Dragon Mags I have out of curiousity to see when 1E stopped (I'm kind of thinking in the earlier of the 150's) and then I went through a little internet search.  I know this isn't exactly related, but I came across this (there were several other issues I saw posted as well) and thought maybe you can do some research online.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10933714/Dragon-045

http://www.scribd.com/search?c=all&quer ... mit=Search


But then I thought "Wait...isn't this copyright infringement?"

(geez they've got Dungeon Mags posted, too)
http://www.scribd.com/search?c=all&quer ... mit=Search

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:12 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Gro that list is whacked  :D   [snip] However, I can assure you by 1995 (issue #56) the switch had long been made.  Right now I'm looking through Dungeon #30, and every adventure here is thoroughly 2E.


LOL.  Thanks Mike---the list is mostly for GH content, but I'll go back and revise it (and finish rounding out the GH content too) ;)


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misterspock wrote:I started to leaf through some of the Dragon Mags I have out of curiousity to see when 1E stopped (I'm kind of thinking in the earlier of the 150's) and then I went through a little internet search.  I know this isn't exactly related, but I came across this (there were several other issues I saw posted as well) and thought maybe you can do some research online.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10933714/Dragon-045

http://www.scribd.com/search?c=all&quer ... mit=Search


But then I thought "Wait...isn't this copyright infringement?"

(geez they've got Dungeon Mags posted, too)
http://www.scribd.com/search?c=all&quer ... mit=Search


Isn't Scribd, like Pirate Bay and Demonoid, based out of the US?  That's the only thing I can think, either that or companies like WOTC are not interested in vigorously pursueing their copyright for OOP materials.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:52 am 
 

Ah, Scribd... :D

Technically, you're supposed to own the copyright for the documents you upload, and you agree to terms that state you will only upload items created by you or which you own the licensing rights for.

In reality, they do absolutely no policing of uploads and (IIRC) only respond to notification of infringement via DMCA take-down notices.

So: in theory they aren't meant to be, in practice they may as well be.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:37 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:The first 3E Polyhedron is #144, which makes #143 the last 2E material.


Thanks!  That's one more down.


misterspock wrote:I started to leaf through some of the Dragon Mags I have out of curiousity to see when 1E stopped (I'm kind of thinking in the earlier of the 150's) and then I went through a little internet search.


I used http://www.aeolia.net/dragondex/ to get my Dragon info.  The last 1E article I could find was in 159... which I then confirmed by looking at the issue.


Updated list:

Dragon: 159 and 273
Dungeon: 17 and 81
Polyhedron 43-54? and 143

Thanks to all.  If anyone has Polyhedrons in the 40s and 50s they can flip through, that would be great!


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:49 pm 
 

I bought a stack of Polyhedrons and can now fill in the last blank in my question.  The final issue of Polyhedron that I can find with definitively 1E material is #53.


Mag: (last 1E) and (last 2E)

Dragon: 159 and 273
Dungeon: 17 and 81
Polyhedron 53 and 143

  
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