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Johnson
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:18 pm

Hi All,

opinions please?

I have started another "Great ST1 Hunt" in the UK, and amongst other things, have posted onto a UK reolplaying newsgroup, looking for them.

I noticed that gyg(got your games) had replied to the posting, saying

"I will pay more than that for a copy" -
I think - well, annoying, but fair enough

then he puts
"and I am sure Mal will pay more than that too" -
I think - none of your business

and then he puts
"and here is a link to a current Ebay auction" -
the one mentioned in the "interesting items on Ebay thread" on here

and then he suggests this the price on the Ebay auction is low.

Well, call me old fashioned, but I think this guy is a bit of an arsehole for posting this.

He appears to be deliberately undermining me here.

Is this just me being touchy, or is this kind of bad manners?

Cheers,
Malc

PS
I assume, that you'll be buying that one on Ebay gyg, if its so cheap?
Looking forward to the end of the auction.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:02 pm

Your question is about ettiqette, but it's also about mediating a potential diasagreement between two Acaeum members. My guess is that you will receive few opinions.

What I recommend is to write gyg a pm and see if you can work it out. If you can, you've gained a friend. Maybe you can both help each other find your respective copies.

Or, you can both take the approach that all is fair in love and war and hate each other.

There are other options, but these are very popular in most conflicts.

One final note, it is common that pride gets in the way in many conflicts. Wait a day, let a third party review your draft communication, and the chance for success should be significantly greater.

Now, I'm jut hoping I don't get caught in any crossfire.

I'm just trying to be helpful.

Truth is worth finding and life is too short to work for money.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:07 pm

lawrenson wrote:Is this just me being touchy, or is this kind of bad manners?

I think a little of both.

If you want to secure a rare item affordably, you must adopt a very thick skin. There will always be those that wish to ensure it goes for a "fair" or "average" price, for various reasons.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:19 pm

If you want to secure a rare item affordably, you must adopt a very thick skin.

Or extreme patience.

Those who can, don't. Those who should not, do.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:21 pm

You're looking for opinions?
Ok, how's this.

It's a piece of paper and cardstock that an average person on their way to work would step on and keep going.

It only has value because of scarcity, and only to a few people. When the owners of these are dead and gone, unless they have a very explicit will, it is more than likely a 50/50 chance that loose collectibles will be dumped in a used book store for some other collector to find...and so it goes.

If you are getting stressed out about some "friendly rivalry" to secure a rare D&D item then it might be time to evaluate how much fun you are having collecting these items for a hobby.

If what is really bothering you is GYG getting an edge on you, then put some thought into it and figure out how to outmaneuver him!

That's my 2+ cents!

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:36 pm

Hi Lawrenson,

I can relate to your distress, but you're taking it too hard. Calling gyg an ass for posting that is a bit harsh.

My advice would be to just let it go. It's terribly hard to interpret the sentiments of others in blog postings. You miss the body language, facial expressions, tone of voice, etc. Gyg may be just giving you a hard time in a good-natured way (or he may be a fucker, I've never met him). Either way, try to take it easy, don't let it get to you, and move on with the hobby. Indeed, a thick skin is both necessary and helpful in collecting, especially when you're after the top items. Hell, half the things Frank (the original one) says to me on the boards here and in PMs would drive a lesser man home crying to the wifey. Read some Hemingway and man up a bit. Then go out an win a heavy-hitting auction and watch the ones you beat out squirm with envy. That's the only way to do it.

Another bit of advice: forget about the ST1. I owned one for a while, a pretty nice copy at that. It's a total piece of shit. Worthless adventure, terrible writing, boring, dull, sub-normal, insulting to average intelligence, poorly illustrated, and, worst of all, incredibly

british.

I'd throw my money at a DM Inverness or a nice 1st print woody over ST1 any day.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:49 pm

bombadil wrote:Read some Hemingway and man up a bit. Then go out an win a heavy-hitting auction and watch the ones you beat out squirm with envy. That's the only way to do it.

So are you saying that guys like lofenloc and tfm feel the need to always outbid everyone so that they can feel manly about themselves? Why not just buy a ridiculously expensive sports car or a huge pickup truck? Seems to be the best way to "express" ones' manhood to me. Winning an auction for an expensive D&D module doesnt really have the same effect I must say. :lol:

But seriously, I think you are correct in assuming that gyg was just giving malc a good-natured ribbing and meant no ill will. :wink:

You don't like your job, you don't strike. You go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way. - Homer Simpson

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:53 pm

I wasn't aware that lofenloc and tfm were males.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:22 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:
So are you saying that guys like lofenloc and tfm feel the need to always outbid everyone so that they can feel manly about themselves? Why not just buy a ridiculously expensive sports car or a huge pickup truck? Seems to be the best way to "express" ones' manhood to me. Winning an auction for an expensive D&D module doesnt really have the same effect I must say.

But seriously, I think you are correct in assuming that gyg was just giving malc a good-natured ribbing and meant no ill will.

A Harley, if you've got the bucks, buy one, ride one on freeways (crash one drunk around a sandy corner) and you can hang your brass balls from the handlebars.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:00 pm

bombadil wrote:I wasn't aware that lofenloc and tfm were males.

Lance definitely is, but it is possible that the acronym is The Female Museum.
Don't see anything at all wrong with gyg posting a link. Claiming that someone will pay more is a bit over, but the funny thing about this field is you don't HAVE to buy the ST1. Unless, of course, you pay a pittance to some poor unsuspecting chap and charge a fortune for it. But no one would do that......

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:02 pm

JasonZavoda wrote:
A Harley, if you've got the bucks, buy one, ride one on freeways (crash one drunk around a sandy corner) and you can hang your brass balls from the handlebars.

So you buy a Harley to become more manly only to crash and become less manly as a result of your balls being ripped away from your crotch at 90 miles per hour. Hmmm.....doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'd like to keep my balls intact, thank you very much. :wink:

You don't like your job, you don't strike. You go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way. - Homer Simpson

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:05 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:
So you buy a Harley to become more manly only to crash and become less manly as a result of your balls being ripped away from your crotch at 90 miles per hour. Hmmm.....doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'd like to keep my balls intact, thank you very much.

You're balls are pretty safe in a crash, but you can lose a lot of skin.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:23 pm

A big car does not express mahood, only money. Unless you do things like using that big car to jump over a line of 10 other cars, that is. Or being the last car in that line.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:46 pm

lawrenson wrote:Is this just me being touchy, or is this kind of bad manners?

sounds more touchy here
could say bad manners to complain on another board w/implicit looking for friends to take sides from thread title + words used without even link to discussion in question
without seeing sounds like not great st1 hunt because trying to buy to make profit not tell people they have $4k module. possibly self to blame because of posting gencon pics + making big deal about refusing to sell to t&t and speculation hype undertones that you had sold yourself short

> If you want to secure a rare item affordably, you must adopt a very thick skin
what the lemur says

Johnson
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:11 pm

Hi,

I actually did PM him at the board in question, but he has not replied.
However, he rarely posts there (total post 5 in more than 2 years), so this is not a surprise.
I did offer up to $1400 for the module, in cash, sight unseen, which I think was reasonable.

However, doing a search, I found examples of him doing this with other posters looking for items, on different boards.

I can only assume he is too stupid/unimaginative to actually advertise for items himself, so tags onto other people coat-tails. The guy is just an a*sehole, in my opinion.

Never mind, he's annoyed me, but he's seriously p*ssed off my Missus (who actually put up the advert), and she's more than capable of stabbing him where it hurts most, when he isn't looking. Several times

Doesnt he sell that scenery stuff? I think I heard its really poor quality, it just cracks and crumbles so easily. Maybe its a knock-off or something.... couldn't really say. Bit of a laugh, eh? :lol:

Cheers,
Malc

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:12 pm

ok. found it - http://www.ukroleplayers.com/forum/view ... =9&p=49671

Anywhere between £100 up to £700 for a near mint copy. I suspect you really wouldnt get much more on Ebay, unless you had an extremely good rating and were in the USA.

blatant attempt to rip off someone with copy. gyg is hero in this story sorry
would have been better had not flagged this to attention

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:14 pm

lawrenson wrote:I did offer up to $1400 for the module, in cash, sight unseen, which I think was reasonable.

and from $200?? :roll:

nothing reasonable in $1400 for mint copy if you know can get $4k++ easy

lawrenson wrote:Never mind, he's annoyed me, but he's seriously p*ssed off my Missus (who actually put up the advert), and she's more than capable of stabbing him where it hurts most, when he isn't looking. Several times

nice words

Johnson
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:18 pm

Ah David, David, you are a sad little person

Cheers,
malc

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