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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:39 pm 
 

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Just thought I'd wander on over and ask a question of the resident sages here at the Acaeum...  :study:

How much, in your opinions, should oxidized staples detract from an item's value?  I have an opportunity to purchase issue #1 of DUNGEON Magazine for $20, and it appears to be in very good shape except that the staples holding the magazine together have totally rusted.

I also ask this question because sometimes the modules that I sell, have staples that can be beginning to rust, are mostly rusting, or have completely rusted, and I always make sure to note this in my auction listings.

Any feedback on these matters would be greatly appreciated.

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:11 pm 
 

I would imagine opinions here will vary, with some more tolerant than others.  Personally, I am a complete rust-hater and prefer whenever possible to get items with clean staples only. When you see questions on ebay auctions asking about the staples - chances are that is me.  I might accept the tiniest bit of darkening on a staple - but that is the absolute limit  :D   So I would say don't buy it.  Wait around for a nicer copy.  As deadlord has said, there is always another one...

Others are more relaxed and accept more rust, especially on older items.  The key question though here is - is the staple rust staining the paper.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:38 pm 
 

Dungeon #1 with rusty staples but otherwise in good shape for $20.00?  If you don't buy it, I will!

 As for value, it's not as bad as having highlighting in the item.  Highlighting or coloring kills the value by 30% to 95% depending on how much of it there is and how popular the item is in terms of people wanting a "playing copy".

 Rust on the other hand, I've noticed a 10% to 50% average drop in prices for my old TSR and JG items where the item has "some" rust.  If it's really bad the drop in value is more like 30% to 70%.

 I hate rusty staples simply because you can never really stop the problem from getting worse.  I used to live in California where rust was not a problem.  However, I've moved to a humid location and I'm really worried about rust and mold.  I'm keeping everything bagged and in the main part of the house where the AC is.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:36 pm 
 

Hi guys,

Thanks for your input!

After reading your two posts, I rather feel like there's a deva on one shoulder, and a baatezu on the other...  :lol:

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Hi guys,

Thanks for your input!

After reading your two posts, I rather feel like there's a deva on one shoulder, and a baatezu on the other...  :lol:

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:19 pm 
 

Wags wrote:Dungeon #1 with rusty staples but otherwise in good shape for $20.00?  If you don't buy it, I will!

 As for value, it's not as bad as having highlighting in the item.  Highlighting or coloring kills the value by 30% to 95% depending on how much of it there is and how popular the item is in terms of people wanting a "playing copy".

 Rust on the other hand, I've noticed a 10% to 50% average drop in prices for my old TSR and JG items where the item has "some" rust.  If it's really bad the drop in value is more like 30% to 70%.

 I hate rusty staples simply because you can never really stop the problem from getting worse.  I used to live in California where rust was not a problem.  However, I've moved to a humid location and I'm really worried about rust and mold.  I'm keeping everything bagged and in the main part of the house where the AC is.


AC will do the trick but if you are really concerned, add a dehumidifier in the area where you store them.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:22 pm 
 

Staple rust can leave nasty brown stains which spread out over the surrounding paper. If that's happening, I'd say you have a problem which affects the value of the item. Otherwise its a minor flaw.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:27 pm 
 

Hi everyone,

A question -- and this is more on a personal collector's note than a seller's -- but if I acquire an item with rusted staples, do you think that I should remove them to prevent them from doing further harm to the magazine/module in question, or am I better off leaving them in?

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:32 pm 
 

Intervention to remove an original part of the item is generally considered a bad thing.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:53 pm 
 

I would remove them and either treat them to stop the rust and put them back in or keep them separate from the item.  It can be a challenge to get them back into the item though.

I don't see it as an issue.  After all, you're not collecting the staples, which where commonly produced in the billions.  The collectible is what is worth preserving.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:56 am 
 

Wandering Monster wrote:Hi everyone,

A question -- and this is more on a personal collector's note than a seller's -- but if I acquire an item with rusted staples, do you think that I should remove them to prevent them from doing further harm to the magazine/module in question, or am I better off leaving them in?

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Personally I think that you should buy another one with lovely clean staples, and then sell the rusty bugger. Seriously.  :D  

This was discussed here a few years back and the general consensus was that if the item is very rare or valuable (i.e. with regards to my advice above, you cannot find/afford another copy to buy), then you could remove and bag up the staples.  There is an old magazine shop here in London that sells expensive rare old mags (as well as a load of old tat I might add), and they often have them bagged up without staples.  So I suppose it is common practice in other collecting hobbies (why collect anything else though?).

OR, you could play around with the format.  I have been chopping up old White Dwarf mags to compile the Call of Cthulhu articles in one place.  Someone else here mentioned binding up old Dragon mags that had no staples.  Nothing like playing around with an art scalpel, some glue and cardboard to take you right back to your youth  :D


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:46 pm 
 

red_bus wrote:Someone else here mentioned binding up old Dragon mags that had no staples.  Nothing like playing around with an art scalpel, some glue and cardboard to take you right back to your youth  :D


Hey, I just bought Dragon Mags 12-21 at Gencon that were bound into a black hardback.  More of a curiosity than anything else.  Otherwise they are in fantastic condition though.

  
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