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Post Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 4:38 pm 
 

Happy to come into another copy of a Third Alpha MM.

Noticed a difference between the two - my original copy appears to have different paper. Certain illustrations have prominent bleed-through to the next page (I can make it out somewhat clearly).

My new copy appears to be a different kind of paper? A little more textured, perhaps a shade more eggshell than white?

Curious if others have observed a difference between paper stock in the same printing. Would one represent an earlier part of the run? Did the manufacturer just substitute one stock for another mid run?

Also noting the difference in binding, almost 1/4 inch difference between the two!

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Post Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 5:21 pm 
 

Couple other observations around these two Third Alpha examples.

The copy with the less prominent view/bleed-through of images also has what appears to be a smooth cover. Odd, as I thought all Third Alpha copies had the textured cover.

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Post Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 10:57 pm 
 

Just looked at my Third Alpha as I pulled it off the shelf.  Visually, the cover matches yours on the upper photo in the first message you posted with the more vivid looking colors and the "2009" code close to the spine crease.  The pages are thicker with no bleed through of images and the like.  Do both of your MM's have the red and yellow stitching across the top for the binding?  Mine has that.  With no further data or distinguishing features I'd say this is a result of a supply of material change during the same printing.  Hard to gauge with the smoothish versus textured cover.  I can see a texture on the cover, but it is smoother probably due to wear and tear.  (I bought the book years ago and it has seen play usage and I use it for my play copy. Including taking it with me if I run AD&D 1E.)  If the print run required 25,000 copies for instance and the original base material ran out at 22,000 there might have been a scramble at press to produce the others with slightly different characteristics.  However to say what came first or second is not a call I could make other than that I would assume the materials used in the first or second prints probably would have been the choice for the initial run of the third.

  


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Post Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 8:03 am 
 

Thank you for pulling it down off the shelf and adding your observations. The photos do reveal some kind of texture on the "smooth cover" copy, but in person, it feels substantial different. I'd think the cover with the raised texture would wear on the upper surfaces and create a kind of denim / canvas aged look. Agree about the bleed-through copy inheriting some aspects of earlier prints.

Here's a good current example of a 2nd print from eBay:


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It has two commonalities with the first copy: distinct raised texture on the cover (noting the wear), and the title page going further into the gutter. The copy with the smoother cover has the title page far more centered title page - I'd imagine your copy fits this as well.

eBay (2nd Print):

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Two copies on hand compared:

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So perhaps Third Alpha has some variations in the run, whether cover stock or page weight or both. If any collectors have enjoyed the discourse so far, would be excellent to compare against a Second Print and Fourth Print (or Third Beta) on hand.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:22 am 
 

Hi Boatman,

I had noticed a difference in textured covers as well but I'm not sure if I have a 3rd print like that.

I was interested in seeing if you could take a look and compare your two 3rd prints on these pages with the monster illustrations against each other. I'm wondering if the one of yours with the textured 'softer'/'bumpier' cover has these monster illustrations updated?

EDIT: This was a thread I posted about the illustration changes I noticed changed around the 2nd print stage. I'm just wondering if your textured 3rd print has any similarities to a 2nd print compared to the 3rd.
Monster Manual MM 1st print artwork differences

1.  Chimera
pg 14

2.  Demon Type III (Glabrezu)
pg 18
Is there a parenthetical 'Glabrezu' in both your books?

3.  Nightmare
pg 74

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:08 pm 
 

misterspock wrote in Monster Manual Third Alpha - Paper bleed-through differences:Hi Boatman,

I had noticed a difference in textured covers as well but I'm not sure if I have a 3rd print like that.

I was interested in seeing if you could take a look and compare your two 3rd prints on these pages with the monster illustrations against each other. I'm wondering if the one of yours with the textured 'softer'/'bumpier' cover has these monster illustrations updated?

EDIT: This was a thread I posted about the illustration changes I noticed changed around the 2nd print stage. I'm just wondering if your textured 3rd print has any similarities to a 2nd print compared to the 3rd.
Monster Manual MM 1st print artwork differences

1.  Chimera
pg 14

2.  Demon Type III (Glabrezu)
pg 18
Is there a parenthetical 'Glabrezu' in both your books?

3.  Nightmare
pg 74


Thanks for this!

I am confirming that both of my third prints (both the textured and smoother cover) feature the newer artwork, though the Type III demon is missing the parenthetical.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:23 am 
 

Great, thanks for checking

  
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