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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:18 am 
 

Basically, how do you manage to have both a room for all the paper and plenty of space for the important people in your life? Do you actually manage it? What is the explanation/justification you provide to your SO? Or, do you end up with some/most/all of your collection in storage? How do you feel about that? Doesn't it seem... pointless?

This comes from (no surprise) a financial conversation. That I earn... a LOT more, and can absolutely afford both the hobby and the extra space doesn't seem to be enough.

Anyone with both MANY bookcases and a long term relationship have any thoughts?


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:38 am 
 

Put simply people who live together must feel as if the space they share is shared. If your home has plenty of space for your collection, but it is the primary aspect of the living space, then your space is not shared.

Finally, any partner who feels that the final say in a matter is based upon who earns more, is not going to have an SO who feels like much of a partner, but more of a sidekick. Either your life is shared or its based on a hierarchy. As important as financial income is, and it's central don't mistake me, it cannot be the final arbiter as to how two people share a mutual life.

So, can you build a gamer den? A library with a central space to read comfortably and to even play a game or three.

Can you make enough space in your life that your SO doesn't feel like a sleepover date?

BTW I am saying these things as one who fails at relationships, fir many reasons, but these are lessons I learned the hard way.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:18 am 
 

I am blessed - my partner (18years and counting together) who is not a gamer - I tried when met - Magic the Gathering - Talisman - even the odd RPG session..  all doomed to not be repeated...
ok the classics - monopoly - 21s - and now with a 7 year old in the house - some children's boardgames yes...

But with the collecting she is happy; I have my office - with some of gaming gear - and the about 80% of the loft(with roof insulation etc...) and some of the front porch with some boxes, and I under the stairs, and some figures in the lounge, and some art work on the walls and DVDs in the lounge and videos (I just cant throw out - which are under the stairs), some live roleplay costume in the shed - my archery items my re-enactment weapons and armour - ok the list is getting shorter now... ok I might have a space issue - but she is ok with it - honestly...  

My explanations of how things get into the house. well easy - never lie always tell the truth - that old thing - before I met you darlin', and in recent years - I brought via KS, 3 years ago it has only just been completed and arrived this week - you saw it arrive with the postvan and 2 people carrying to the front door.  truth is wonderful and the best option.

I do sell some of the items I don't need or want - so that does free up space once in a while. Space has become a premium in my office...  But my partner is happy I am off the streets and socialising when I game... and that is what makes her happy - so long as I am happy..  Their is a catch22 - she has WOOL - Oh my so much wool for her knitting - bags and bags of it.. books on it as well..  20% of the loft (space stealer) and under the stairs in the lounge in the bed room bags of it... ;-)

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:40 am 
 

Most people here have significant others which are fictional. ... Oh sure, they might post "pictures" and occasionally recount family anecdotes, but these are just well constructed artificial supports. IN fact there is a correlation between the largest gaming collections and the largest gaps in any real existence outside of gaming... :)

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:57 am 
 

aspekt wrote in How to have both a large collection and a significant other?:Put simply people who live together must feel as if the space they share is shared. If your home has plenty of space for your collection, but it is the primary aspect of the living space, then your space is not shared.

Finally, any partner who feels that the final say in a matter is based upon who earns more, is not going to have an SO who feels like much of a partner, but more of a sidekick. Either your life is shared or its based on a hierarchy. As important as financial income is, and it's central don't mistake me, it cannot be the final arbiter as to how two people share a mutual life.


This is actually the best way I've ever seen this sentiment stated.  Spot on.

My collection is modest, and doesn't take up that much space.  So I'm not sure how much my 2 cents counts.  But I've found it really helps if your SO is a gamer as well.  I'm blessed and lucky in this way.   :D   While not a collector, my lovely wife is a bit of a gamer girl herself so she doesn't mind having this stuff around at all.

I'm wondering if it would actually be worse if both partners were avid collectors.  I could envision trouble coming there.


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:36 am 
 

What an interesting thread!

I agree with the honesty part - my wife knows exactly what I spend, what is on my list to get, and when my list "expands".  She is extremely supportive of my collecting and publishing (she is my first line editor too), and although she doesn't play, she understands how important it is to me and my circle of friends.

I once knew a guy that lied about his collection's worth just in case he and his wife divorced - that way, she wouldn't take it.  Lost track of him over the years, but I often wonder how that relationship worked out.

For me, my marriage and collecting works because I include her in decisions and purchases; she's never in the dark with what I'm thinking about buying or writing.

As far as space is concerned, I've limited my collection to one room of the house and a set of bookshelves I've built (8 floor to ceiling sets of shelves).  Once they are full, I will likely purge books I've obtained through lot purchases or KS outside my main collecting areas.  At that point, stuff coming in replaces stuff going out.  I think I'm about a full shelf from completing most of my lists though so I don't see myself really running out of room.  The rest of the house is shared space for us and our kids and will not be filled with any rpg stuff, except for my framed SW OB3.  ;-)

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:46 pm 
 

Wait, you framed an item that is in the shrink?

BOW DOWN TO THE GOD POLYOLEFIN!! screams High Priest Smarmy, invoking the old name.

But seriously, marry someone kind & understanding, full collecting disclosure is a must and don't be foolish and try to get one of everything (oh wait).
Well, do as I say and not as I do...


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:52 pm 
 

stratochamp wrote in How to have both a large collection and a significant other?:Wait, you framed an item that is in the shrink?

BOW DOWN TO THE GOD POLYOLEFIN!! screams High Priest Smarmy, invoking the old name.


Well, I don't know the context so I'm not sure if this is mockery or not.   ;-)  It felt better to put it in a frame than in a box on a shelf.  At least it can be looked at this way.

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:39 pm 
 

Great responses!

Two clarifications:

1. It has always my intent to limit everything to one room with no spillover. This is achievable. It will be a densely packed library, but it's still all in one room.

2. The finance comment was not to imply that I am more important, only to explain that I can afford both the collecting and the rent for the larger space required to have that dedicated room.


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:10 pm 
 

Hi Thom,
Definitely not mocking you. Usually counterproductive in a public setting in any event. It would be very rare for a collector to take the shrink off an OB3 nowadays (although ironically since many of them seem to start warping from the shrink it's one of the items that should be removed in many cases; but not necessarily yours); and full disclosure the one rare item I have ever deshrunk (and my dear wife gives me grief about that even though it happened 21 years before we met).

Back to the topic sentence, I don't think that finances are the key component. I think the expenditure of time away from one's family is. That is the area that needs to be carefully juggled.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:26 pm 
 

My wife and I combine our pay checks, pay all the bills, put some in savings, then divide what's leftover fifty-fifty.  So doesn't really matter who makes more, and raises benefit both.  She spends her share however she wants, as do I.  Sharing out equally like this seems to be an anomaly amongst our friends, but we never fight about money.  And there is no criticism about what it gets spent on, although I do roll my eyes at her spa trips.

I have a few bookcases in the den I use to display cool stuff.  I also have some stuff in the office.  The rest gets stored on shelving in the garage.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:40 am 
 

Lost a wife (in part) due to this hobby; but in reality we lost that marriage due to her problems with our entire life together.
She hated my friends, my professional situation at that time (I owned my own business for ten years) and my hobbies (not just this one) and has ZERO friends of her own and always was that way.
That was and still is her problem.
She did not even like dealing with her own grandkids, each of whom I played RPGs with often and we also painted minis together on a regular basis....
Her oldest grandson attended the second annual NT RPG Con with me.
She filed for divorce and told me about it a month later once everything was basically done and finalized except the court date and signing...
And it was one of the best things to ever happen to me....

It has been several years since then and now I have a new wife and she thinks I have too much stuff too which she sometimes messes with me about.
I have five industrial sized storage shelves in the garage all of them are filled with boxes and there are an additional three bookshelves in the house also filled with more of my collection.
I have several framed art pieces as well, but have not hung any of them yet....
Almost all of that was collected before I met her and I have slowed my collecting to an almost complete stop.
Once in a while I purchase some few items, but nothing like I was doing some few years ago.

My new wife and I have some mutual friends and she has a lot of socialization in her blood, so she has many old friends all over the world (literally).
She is not a gamer for RPGs but she plays other games often (mostly computer / on-line games similar to SIMS)....
She did attend one RPG Con with me (North Texas RPG Con) and even gamed during that weekend.
The language barrier was a problem for the RPG games (table top sessions).
Her first language is Chinese and though she speaks and understands English quite well; when a group of English speakers are all talking at once she gets easily lost in it all.
So table top RPG games due to that aspect are not much fun for her.
She also met and played some board games with a certain old gamer who plays board games, and had a lot of fun doing so.
He was very nice to her...... (Thank you sir)
I foresee a long and happy marriage, and fell blessed to have found her.

All that stated, I am planning to sell the majority of my collection as soon as I can start getting my stuff together.
We have long term plans that demand ready cash and one of the things I have worth a lot is my collection.
So its going.... not all of it, but most of it.
I plan to keep a few things, perhaps one or two bookcases worth, but that leaves a garage and one inside bookshelf worth of stuff that has to go.
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:20 am 
 

I'm sorry I stated the finances bit so poorly.

What I was trying to convey was that same sense of shared space can apply to economics in a relationship. It's certainly a high wire walk. Relationships are certainly not for the faint of heart. And really a couple intent on being together will more often than not find ways, odd ways even, to make it work.

I've known happy couples who share one bank account, others that have three or more. I've known longterm couples who married a bit late and both kept their in town homes. Things that might seem end of game plays can actually keep a relationship going for decades.

All that to say how the two of you work out a shared financial space could be as common or as unusual as it takes for you both to make it together. But I do believe it is as much a shared space as the living room or bathroom.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:40 pm 
 

All good points...

My woman and I have been together for almost 28 years. She likes to play some board/card/dice games, but not those that take skill or deep thought or anyt type of remembering what's be played and what odds you might have etc etc (I play 3 card poker at the casino, she plays the slots)

I own and run the business that pays for everything. She had about 15 different jobs in the first 8 years we were together (all before I started my business - I have 2 during that same time frame) ... once I started my business I put here to "work" for me. She is the house wife, keeps the house in order, the garden, the clothes, the food... it runs like a top and no complaints. She doesn't really do any company work, but I pay her a paycheck because everything she does is important and it's very important to me that she be here doing it, vs trying to get it all done after working a job elsewhere. She has a list of bills she pays, I cover the rest. She spends whatever she has left over however she wants, I do the same with my left overs. We have separate bank accounts.

We also have a shared savings account we both put $500 a month into for a vacation fund.

All that aside, my collecting or spending on running the convention etc, never comes up (but would if we needed to pay for something and I didn't have a plan on how to cover the expense). So I try to keep it all in check to be sure I can cover unexpected things.... (which means the Special Guest list at the Con might have to drop from 10% to 5% at some point as it's gotten a bit expensive the last couple of years.. but that's another thread)... She has hobbies she does and side projects that cost money that I wouldn't spend, but she's spending her money so I don't care. What I consider a waste of money is to her an important thing, and vice versa.

I think as long as you both have no problem with the other's "space", allowing each other to do things you know are important to them, then it should be good.

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:28 am 
 

Interesting questions, Michael!:

TheHistorian wrote in How to have both a large collection and a significant other?:Basically, how do you manage to have both a room for all the paper and plenty of space for the important people in your life?


Heather and I have separate offices in the house (she has 2 in fact; I also have a game storage room in the basement, so we're even-ish, although that's probably 2/3  Black Blade stock vs. my collection, per se), and there's largely little to no overlap between them:  we have some shared stuff divvied up in each of our offices (printer paper, office supplies, etc.) but each office space is autonomous, which includes us decorating them the way we want to, too.  

When we were home shopping, we were actively looking for a house that would allow for one or more rooms to be libraries (good walls for book cases, etc.), and we ended up adding wall-mounted shelving for my books and CDs/DVDs in the family room 3-4 years ago or so, too (previously many of those books had been in storage and/or double-stacked).  So that definitely helped, in terms of looking for a home where we could plan for shelving/books storage.  

TheHistorian wrote in How to have both a large collection and a significant other?:Or, do you end up with some/most/all of your collection in storage? How do you feel about that? Doesn't it seem... pointless?


I definitely don't have as nice as the full-house wall of shelving that Bill has, nor the gamer den room that Shawn and Devon do.  Thus, much of my collection is in storage, on way or the other:  a big portion (stuff I don't refer to/use much) is up in the attic, while the miniatures and board games are in the game room in the basement (but the Aliens boards are all stored in the wardrobe boxes on pallets or shelving in the laundry room---they're too big to have on display all the time).  The materials in my office that are "on display" (more like just shelved where they're handy ;) ) are my core Greyhawk, EGG, and RJK research materials, and my working/playing AD&D and OSR materials.  All that said, though, I don't know that there's a lot of my collection that I would want to formally display per se, either---most of it's not particularly noteworthy to look at from the POV of a non-gamer.  

Basically the game collection stuff is not really in sight, which probably helps quite a bit, too:  my office has a door that can be closed, which keeps the dogs (and cats when we still had them) out, and keeps the mess out of sight when we have company over (when I'm reorganizing/reshelving, which I'm in the midst of right now, in fact....).  So, no game stuff in our shared areas.

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When we lived in our apartment in CA, Heather had nightmares about the bookshelves in our bedroom falling down and crushing us during an earthquake (despite that they were bolted to the walls).  Not having bookshelves in our bedroom now is a big improvement from her POV!

I think that getting rid of stuff that you're no longer interested in helps quite a bit too.  I don't do as much pruning as I'd like to, but when it does happen, my wife's always a bit happier ;)


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:31 am 
 

You keep your significant other with your collection, obviously.
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:05 pm 
 

My ex-wife didn't collect anything. And thus couldn't understand my need for collecting. I had sold most of my collection before we met and after a couple of years together started buying stuff again.

We had a 1300 sqft home so space was a premium. I kept the comic boxes in the foyer. Books and digest sized items in the bedroom on bookshelves. Magazine boxes in the study or man-cave.

Nothing in the kids room. So I guess that was one positive. Lol.

She complained about my 'junk' constantly it seemed. I tried keeping some items in the garage but summers here are so hot and humid it just didn't work.

So there's my take on the matter


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:23 pm 
 

An SO is something I have decided not to collect! :)

Been down that road, miserable experience so will just enjoy my solitary life and massive amounts of collected "stuff" that may or may not be worth what I pay for it, but makes me happy! :)

  
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