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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:22 am 
 

Hi All,

I've got an interesting set of items here. For a long time when I was buying/collecting, I did dedicated searching for items around Metro Detroit Gaming, Michicon, Wintercon, etc. I picked up a single lot of items in the process that included the character sheets, combat/encounter tables, SAVE ZWITOBIEL!! tournament, and probably one of the various pre-1980 Wintercon/Michicon materials elsewhere in my collection, which certainly led me to the rest of the lot via search. I can't recall who the seller was, but I am pretty sure I would have made memory if they came from a noticeable name such as Bartinowski, etc. It doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't come from one of these guys and wasn't just sold by a close friend or family member that had an eBay account, etc. I didn't keep careful records of sellers and particular auctions, so I think these details might be lost to unmarked history.

I hadn't really did a lot of research with these materials since I stacked them away. I didn't have the time, or I didn't realize what they might be. I threw them up together in the ebay store recently and was contacted through the messaging that the TSR produced '77 character record sheets pointed to the tournament Tsjoconth.

As you'nes know, the Tsjoconth was ran at the Wintercon V, which was right about in December of '76 (right?). These TSR character sheets are copyrighted 1977. These are the basic parameters that I can gather but much can be postulated from those points.

I am interested in some thoughts from other collectors and research enthusiasts on what these materials might be with relationship to the tournament.

photobucket scans of items: http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/G ... chi_items/


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:07 pm 
 

One page mentions the "Withras (Opposites Wights)". These appeared as a new monster by Don Turnbull in the Fiend Factory column in White Dwarf #7, June/July 1978.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:53 pm 
 

Sorry Adam. I'm not on board with posting scans of collectibles, I hope you consider removing your Tsojcanth scan.  David


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:41 am 
 

PDF for those that might not have the actual tournament in their collection


loved this wording - reads as if everone of us has 2 or 3 kicking about (might just have been my take on it :D )

(and Davidc makes a reasonable point as well)


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:24 am 
 

gyg wrote:(and Davidc makes a reasonable point as well)


No he doesn't - dude's got a scan of a collectible as his forum avatar. Remove it immediately, or face the consequences!!

  


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:13 am 
 

gyg wrote:
PDF for those that might not have the actual tournament in their collection


loved this wording - reads as if everone of us has 2 or 3 kicking about (might just have been my take on it :D )

(and Davidc makes a reasonable point as well)


I hear ya. I no longer have a tsjoconth in my midst, so I am trying to short-track the finding of the materials for comparative research purpose.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:22 am 
 

Also meant to mention, I don't have a lot of gaming experience so I am not familiar with some of the contents of many common rules contents. Do the encounter tables themselves ring a bell for anyone? On the one hand, I've experiences very elaborate homebrew materials like this within the realm of gamers, so maybe this is just someone's idea of encounter tables for their sessions. On the other hand, they do look a little like the encounter table found within the Tsjoconth tournament module.

Good find on the introduction of a particular monster in a later source. Points away from use at that particular Wintercon. Of course, the lot could be nothing more than a hodgepodge of someone's materials.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:23 am 
 

davidc wrote:Sorry Adam. I'm not on board with posting scans of collectibles, I hope you consider removing your Tsojcanth scan.  David


That wasn't my scan, nor upload account. The Tsjoconth PDF can be found via google search.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:03 pm 
 

Yeah, that pdf in particular has been floating around for a long time.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:13 am 
 

scribe wrote:
davidc wrote:Sorry Adam. I'm not on board with posting scans of collectibles, I hope you consider removing your Tsojcanth scan.  David


That wasn't my scan, nor upload account. The Tsjoconth PDF can be found via google search.


I appreciate the nature of the original post and understand it wasn't your scan, I meant no offense... Just a pet peeve of mine.  (Though I realize probably anyone who can find a D+D forum on line can probably find a scan of just about anything :) ).  Thank you for removing the link.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:14 pm 
 

scribe wrote:As you'nes know, the Tsjoconth was ran at the Wintercon V, which was right about in December of '76 (right?). These TSR character sheets are copyrighted 1977. These are the basic parameters that I can gather but much can be postulated from those points.

I am interested in some thoughts from other collectors and research enthusiasts on what these materials might be with relationship to the tournament.


Your character sheet scans are 1979 sheets, as evidenced by the "circle R" after the text "Dungeons & Dragons" on the front of the sheet. On the 1977 sheets, there is a tiny asterisk after the text "Dungeons & Dragons" at the top of the sheet, and at the very bottom right of the front the text "* T.M. REG. APP. FOR" is present.". Those sheets *could* have been used for running the Tsojconth adventure, but they wouldn't be from the 1976 Wintercon.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:05 am 
 

Good eye! I think the date on the sheets preclude the possibility that these were involved in the initial run of the tournament, even if the sheets had been the earliest printing.

I wonder if there was a re-run of the tournament dungeon or additional development of the official tournament leading up to printing? These could be a lot of nothing, but the materials around them make it intriguing.


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