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nyjastul69
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:50 pm

I know it's not TSR or even D&D exactly, but sorta claims to be.

** expired/removed eBay auction **

What is this exactly? Sorry if this should be in the non-TSR forum. I wasn't really sure where to post it.

Edit: Errr...Ummm... I didn't look at who the seller was before posting. I have a feeling someone on this site knows what it is. Please stop laughing at me. :oops:

I can't seem to delete my post. So, when ya'll have had a well deserved guffaw at my expense please delete it. Or not. I should get cookie for something so funny.

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:01 pm

Not TSR and not D&D but a free download for the core rules (a cool printed/box set version is for sale - a very limited production run as well as a softcover and hardcover) and a pretty neat product overall:

http://rpg.geekdo.com/rpgitem/47724/swo ... y-whitebox

about halfway down you'll see links - one to an English review and the other to the official website.

-Dave

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:37 pm

Okay, now I get it. Thanks. That's what i get for posting while bored and over-tired.

I almost added to my OP that I came here instead of asking the seller because I'm likely to get better answers here. That would have been even more embarrasing. Oh, wait...

Joking aside, that is the Badmike from this sight, correct?

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:46 pm

nyjastul69 wrote:Joking aside, that is the BadMike from this sight, correct?

I think so... and if so, he's a very reputable seller. I've actually bought from him before he knew me - might not have sold me anything if he did

The rumor is they didn't make many actual box sets so it's a worthwhile pickup, IMO.

One of the booklets (obviously available free in PDF form) is Matt Finch's A Primer for Old School Gaming which I consider mandatory reading for anyone interested in a good treaty of the core differences in RPGs then and now (though with the rebirth of the retro-clones and simulacrums that line gets blurred again).

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:43 pm

wavemotion wrote:The rumor is they didn't make many actual box sets so it's a worthwhile pickup, IMO.

Still going cheap at Troll & Toad, fwiw; http://www.trollandtoad.com/p294364.html (sorry, Mike!)

wavemotion wrote:One of the booklets (obviously available free in PDF form) is Matt Finch's A Primer for Old School Gaming which I consider mandatory reading for anyone interested in a good treaty of the core differences in RPGs then and now (though with the rebirth of the retro-clones and simulacrums that line gets blurred again).

*nods* Good reading/food for thought, agreed.

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:45 pm

I seem to be finding quite a few of these old school D&D clones out there:
Labyrinth Lord, BFRPG, S&W, just to name a few.

Is this a new trend, or has it been going on for a few years?

Also found one site that had combined the white box rules with Greyhawk to make a pre-BM/EW/GDGH ruleset.

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:39 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:I seem to be finding quite a few of these old school D&D clones out there:
Labyrinth Lord, BFRPG, S&W, just to name a few.

Is this a new trend, or has it been going on for a few years?

Also found one site that had combined the white box rules with Greyhawk to make a pre-BM/EW/GDGH ruleset.

I had no no idea they existed either, while I'm not a prolific collector like yourself, I'm also not new.

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:52 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:I seem to be finding quite a few of these old school D&D clones out there:
Labyrinth Lord, BFRPG, S&W, just to name a few.

Is this a new trend, or has it been going on for a few years?

Echoing off the top of my empty head . . .

Retro-clones have been going on for a few years but not much more than that. For example, I have a hardback of a retro-clone called Spellcraft & Swordplay that is dated 2008. The acknowledgements include a line that reads

Matthew Finch and Stuart Marshall, for getting the whole "retro-gaming" phenomenon up and running in a big way

According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSRIC ), the first version of Old School Reference and Index Compilation was released in 2006.

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The "Simulacrum Games" forum at Dragonsfoot is here:
. . . http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=48

Knights & Knaves Alehouse is here:
. . . http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/index.php

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:28 am

nyjastul69 wrote:
while I'm not a prolific collector like yourself, I'm also not new.

"Prolific collector" is The Acaeum's term for status based on # posts.
It's probably an homage to XP levels. You'll notice some are Sage Collectors, Grandstanding Collectors, etc.

If I were to describe my collecting, it'd be more like "Clueless Collector".
:-)

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:33 am

JohnGaunt wrote:According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSRIC ), the first version of Old School Reference and Index Compilation was released in 2006.

Case in point of my cluelessnessisity, I hadn't heard the term OSRIC until now.
Thanks for the info!

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:39 am

Keith the Thief wrote:If I were to describe my collecting, it'd be more like "Clueless Collector".

Heh! What's below Clueless?! If there is anything, I lay claim to it!

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:23 am

wavemotion wrote:Heh! What's below Clueless?!

Probably being too new to know how hard this hobby is :-)

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:27 am

OSRIC Thread --

An older thread on this topic faded out back in 2007 ...

http://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4210&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=osric&start=60

What other OSRIC products are out there?
Dozens or hundreds probably.

I bought StoneHell mega-dungeon yesterday, and just downloaded some free old school material from RPGNow.

I may have found a new collecting goal: new old rules.

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:31 pm

Just checked out the labyrinth lord stuff - looks quite interesting.

http://www.goblinoidgames.com/

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:37 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:
"Prolific collector" is The Acaeum's term for status based on # posts.
It's probably an homage to XP levels. You'll notice some are Sage Collectors, Grandstanding Collectors, etc.

If I were to describe my collecting, it'd be more like "Clueless Collector".

I do actually realize the titles are tied to post counts. I was in weird mood yesterday.

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:51 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:What other OSRIC products are out there?
Dozens or hundreds probably.

We currently list about 60 specifically designed for OSRIC

http://rpg.geekdo.com/rpg/1297/old-scho ... tion-osric

which is not exhaustive I'm sure.

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:37 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:
"Prolific collector" is The Acaeum's term for status based on # posts.
It's probably an homage to XP levels. You'll notice some are Sage Collectors, Grandstanding Collectors, etc.

If I were to describe my collecting, it'd be more like "Clueless Collector".

Methinks anyone who is on this site is faaar from clueless about collecting. It's what basically clued me in.

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:47 pm

nyjastul69 wrote:

Methinks anyone who is on this site is faaar from clueless about collecting. It's what basically clued me in.

Oh ... heheheh ... trust me, I for example am utterly clueless. I visit the Acaeum for the secondhand price guides, and I visit the forums for the non-collecting discussions, which are numerous.

If that copy of Spellcraft & Swordplay is by Jason Vey, it is probably collectible - he didn't make very many of those (fewer than 100, IIRC). The other "retro-clone" material is generally not released in print runs, so there's not a cutoff to limit numbers or identifiable print runs. There are a few revisions to the Swords & Wizardry rules and the Labyrinth Lord rules that could possibly be collectible, I suppose, if retro-clones were the specific theme of a collection.

I'm not sure if Brave Halfling is going to have any distinguishing marks on the later releases of the WhiteBox. If so, then the first print runs would have an identifiable "total number printed."

Hope that helps. If any of the retro-clones rises into the mainstream market, the interesting thing is that there are generally very, very few copies of the earlier printings since it's such a niche market. We'll see.

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