benjoshua wrote: .... I'm also curious if cutting the print down to the 22x28 size diminishes the value of the print.
The committee specifically chose this size in part because it would allow buyers to purchase pre-fabricated frames instead of custom frames.  

It would for me and I think for Mike too, based on his reaction to my prank a couple of weeks ago.  

I think the committee did fine; and though I of course do not know, I suspect they had nothing to do with the choice to make the paper frame extend beyond the normal size for a non-custom built frame.
The size of the print itself is fine and is as was stated in the polls, it is the paper border that extends BEYOND any normal frame size.

Tharizdun wrote:Frame costs are a bitch and there's no way to get around that unless you build your own. I have seen numerous great collections without a lot of framed pieces cause it's just too expensive for some people (more-so than the artwork in many cases). I have a pretty substantial (in size) collection and there's no easy fix with frame costs. Nice frame jobs are great and the prices to frame something nicely suck.
Or to put it another way... If I never framed any of my collection I could afford a high end piece of iconic stature. You name the piece (TSR related) and I could probably buy it and likely multiples...

Exactly. You want a nice frame for this piece you are gonna drop a couple c-notes. And by nice, I mean simply that; nice, not great or very impressive. You want something more, you can go much higher.

bbarsh wrote:
Exactly. You want a nice frame for this piece you are gonna drop a couple c-notes. And by nice, I mean simply that; nice, not great or very impressive. You want something more, you can go much higher.

That is freaking insane.

Start making a regular crawl around thrift stores, goodwills, junk shops that sell used furniture. You can sometimes find great frames for $5 or so, if not then pick up a piece of used furniture for $10 or $20 of the kind of wood you are looking for, coffee tables, dressers, headboards, doesn't matter. Strip the thing down for parts. sandpaper, tablesaw and varnish required.

Nothing mysterious about a decent wood frame.

dsaunders wrote:
if you want you could run to any Walmart and pick up a frame for less than $20.  but if you want a piece of art put in a quality frame it will cost you.  not only will the matting need cut, but for most pieces the frame itself will be custom sized and cut for the piece.  i agree that if you just want a frame you can get one almost anywhere, but there's a difference between "sticking something in a frame" and "having something framed".

No Im talking about decent wood and a decent frame. You can find old frames at goodwills, thrift stores, you can cut them to size. You can find great wood in old furniture and break it down easily into 4 lengths of board for framing.

Do people not know how to use a saw anymore? You can adjust a table saw to cut out the interior groove to fit the picture, you put on a sanding blade to shape the wood.

A couple of hundred for a wooden frame is a complete rip off plain and simple.

dsaunders wrote:...  unfortunately from what i've read this print will not be coming in a standard size....

The almost EXACT dimensions are:
22-3/8" x 28-1/2" which includes the white paper border...
Exact dimensions being somewhat shaky, since the edges of the paper, all the way around are what I would call wavy.
I will post two pictures later on to show this...

JasonZavoda wrote:
No Im talking about decent wood and a decent frame. You can find old frames at goodwills, thrift stores, you can cut them to size. You can find great wood in old furniture and break it down easily into 4 lengths of board for framing.

Do people not know how to use a saw anymore? You can adjust a table saw to cut out the interior groove to fit the picture, you put on a sanding blade to shape the wood.

A couple of hundred for a wooden frame is a complete rip off plain and simple.

Jason, please correct me if I am wrong here,. but it seems to me that you are assuming everyone has a well stocked wood shop...
Some folks do not have a wood shop Jason...
Most folks I know do not even have a circular saw, much less a table saw.
I do not own a table saw (Do have a circular saw though) and we (The wife and me) actually do many home repairs ourselves if we can.
But I do not mess with wood if I have other choices as I have no skills for it...
Some things I can do... such as a few years ago, we built a 2-1/2 foot square wooden castle for the grandkids...
I posted some pictures here in the first stages.
We used a mitre box and hand saw for most of the cutting...
Yeah I COULD use my mitre box and one of my hand saws if I had to (to build a picture frame for my EO print) but I would most certainly MUCK IT UP!
I KNOW MY LIMITATIONS.

And most folks do not have even a mitre box.

And those Power tools you listed would (I think) cost WAY more than having a professional frame the thing.

What do you guys do when you need to fix something or build something?

I ask the Amish. You?

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
Jason, please correct me if I am wrong here,. but it seems to me that you are assuming everyone has a well stocked wood shop...
Some folks do not have a wood shop Jason...
Most folks I know do not even have a circular saw, much less a table saw.
I do not own a table saw (Do have a circular saw though) and we (The wife and me) actually do many home repairs ourselves if we can.
But I do not mess with wood if I have other choices as I have no skills for it...
Some things I can do... such as a few years ago, we built a 2-1/2 foot square wooden castle for the grandkids...
I posted some pictures here in the first stages.
We used a mitre box and hand saw for most of the cutting...
Yeah I COULD use my mitre box and one of my hand saws if I had to (to build a picture frame for my EO print) but I would most certainly MUCK IT UP!
I KNOW MY LIMITATIONS.

And most folks do not have even a mitre box.

And those Power tools you listed would (I think) cost WAY more than having a professional frame the thing.

Hey Gnat,

I just have a garage, though I guess I have a bunch of power tools, I also have my grandfathers and fathers sets which do they same thing as the tablesaw only with more finesse (and a greater amount of time).

But even without a tablesaw you should check out places for a nice old frame. You can cut it down to size easily enough with just a saw though a mitre box will give you the easiest and most accurate angled cut.

Framing isnt a big deal. If people are charging a couple of hundred for it then they are really milking an easy skill set there.

JasonZavoda wrote:
Hey Gnat,

I just have a garage, though I guess I have a bunch of power tools, I also have my grandfathers and fathers sets which do they same thing as the tablesaw only with more finesse (and a greater amount of time).

But even without a tablesaw you should check out places for a nice old frame. You can cut it down to size easily enough with just a saw though a mitre box will give you the easiest and most accurate angled cut.

Framing isnt a big deal. If people are charging a couple of hundred for it then they are really milking an easy skill set there.

Yes, I can picture   (:lol:  )  building a frame from wood pieces as something I could probably do myself and I would Never spend several hundred bucks to buy a fancy custom built frame; I simply could not afford it.
Especially for a print that only cost me $85...  

I can and WOULD buy that CHEAP Walmart frame first.
But for this EO print, I will try to find a Nicer frame first if one can be found at a reasonable cost that is.
In any case; I doubt my copy *(picked it up at the convention this weekend) gets a hanging spot for a while.

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
Yes, I can picture   (:lol:  )  building a frame from wood pieces as something I could probably do myself and I would Never spend several hundred bucks to buy a fancy custom built frame; I simply could not afford it.
Especially for a print that only cost me $85...  

I can and WOULD buy that CHEAP Walmart frame first.
But for this EO print, I will try to find a Nicer frame first if one can be found at a reasonable cost that is.
In any case; I doubt my copy *(picked it up at the convention this weekend) gets a hanging spot for a while.

Don't know what you have around you Gnat but if you do, check out goodwills, salvation army stores, thrift stores (and dont forget to look in their too and book sections cause you might find some rpg treasures).

Edit: You can always use a bigger frame than the picture as well you know. Just center the picture and if you want cut out a border from a piece of backing foam or colored matte.