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Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:59 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:Is this worth $24? And is this the earliest edition?

Free shipping...

If you guys don't mind I think I will try to take this for myself.


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It looks like it ended with no bidders.  You could contact him and maybe get him down on his price.  I'm not sure about the value.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:03 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:Is this worth $24? And is this the earliest edition?

Free shipping...

If you guys don't mind I think I will try to take this for myself.


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From what I have seen this set goes from $5 to $20 + shipping.

  


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Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:05 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
From what I have seen this set goes from $5 to $20 + shipping.


so $24 shipped would have been "ok"...

I contacted the buyer... have not heard back.


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Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:48 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:
so $24 shipped would have been "ok"...

I contacted the buyer... have not heard back.


For Gangbusters I would have said $24 shipped is high end. But the game is now about 25 years old and prices for them might be rising. I havent kept track of the main set. My main interest is what the modules have been selling for. I know I saw a set sell for about $5 within the last few months and another sell for either $15 or $18

  


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Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:17 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
For Gangbusters I would have said $24 shipped is high end. But the game is now about 25 years old and prices for them might be rising. I havent kept track of the main set. My main interest is what the modules have been selling for. I know I saw a set sell for about $5 within the last few months and another sell for either $15 or $18


I already have a sealed copy of TS02 I got for $1 back-in-the-day... I would prolly only pick up the first few.


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:13 am 
 

Are these counterfeit or some sort of tourny thing?



http://cgi.ebay.com/HUGE-Lot-Advanced-D ... 1|294%3A50



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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:43 am 
 

TheMilford wrote:Are these counterfeit or some sort of tourny thing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/HUGE-Lot-Advanced-D ... 1|294%3A50

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Here's another lot of druid cleric sheets. Have not seen these before. Where do they come from?



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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:33 am 
 

Same character sheet. People used to photocopy them onto all sorts of paper. My local games store used to sell them in ziplocs. All just photocopies of character sheets. Very much doubt TSR licensed them, so if that makes them counterfiet then they are counterfied. But as so many people here will say, that doesn't meant they aren't legitimate 1980's photocopies and not modern, so have inherent value on grounds of age of counterfiet.


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:20 am 
 

Giant picture lot has come down in price for anyone interested:



http://cgi.ebay.com/MASSIVE-D-D-AD-D-Du ... 7C294%3A50



I think he'd have an easier time of it if he'd rethink his shipping options though.

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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:28 am 
 

I think the first lot are ligitimate.
Seller said they are PADS of PC sheets.
With some torn from the pads.

. wrote:Same character sheet. People used to photocopy them onto all sorts of paper. My local games store used to sell them in ziplocs. All just photocopies of character sheets. Very much doubt TSR licensed them, so if that makes them counterfiet then they are counterfied. But as so many people here will say, that doesn't meant they aren't legitimate 1980's photocopies and not modern, so have inherent value on grounds of age of counterfiet.


legitimate 1980's photocopies.....
....have inherent value on grounds of age of counterfiet.

8O   So, if the counterfeit is from the 1980s (20 plus years old) then its a collectable even though it is nothing but a copied (Zerox) of an Original of the item?

Ah my bobbing head friend.
You have spent WAY too much time on that PotVQ Thread. :lol:
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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:31 am 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:

Here's another lot of druid cleric sheets. Have not seen these before. Where do they come from?

Sheets




There are also modern pdf recreations out there, so some folks could just be printing those and selling them.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 9:49 am 
 

TheHistorian wrote:
There are also modern pdf recreations out there, so some folks could just be printing those and selling them.

That also breaches both WoTC's copyright (visual layout of a product is copyrighted for 25 yeras from date of publication), as the product is a copy of something they designed, and it would in theory breach the copyright of the person who created the PDF, if he hadn't already broken the law by ripping off TSR's design. It is a common false myth that you can copy something and then change it slightly to avoid breach of copyright, you cannot. Nor is it covered under fair use, or fan fiction.


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:07 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:I think the first lot are ligitimate.
Seller said they are PADS of PC sheets.
With some torn from the pads..

As far as I am aware, and I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong, these were only ever published in orange. Not white. Hense, counterfiet.

Gnat the Beggar wrote: 8O   So, if the counterfeit is from the 1980s (20 plus years old) then its a collectable even though it is nothing but a copied (Zerox) of an Original of the item?

There are plenty of counterfiet products that are worth selling on eBay because they have value. I have Wanderer issues 1 and 2, which are 1990's copies/reprints/ripoffs or issues 2 and 3 respectively. I'd be willing to bet I could get $10 a shop for those on eBay. And if it weren't for NKG having so many copies of Montie Haul and Compleat Tavers, I'[d bet you could sell counterfiet Monie Hails and Complete Taverns pretty successfully on eBay too. Furthermore, if you found a fake PoVQ or DG, I bet you could sell it for $30-50 on eBay as a 'modern reproduction of the first ever dungeon, circa 1990.' Photocopies have velue on eBay. Maybe not PoVQ, but we see them in lots of one sort or another pretty regularily.


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:05 am 
 

. wrote:There are plenty of counterfiet products that are worth selling on eBay because they have value. I have Wanderer issues 1 and 2, which are 1990's copies/reprints/ripoffs or issues 2 and 3 respectively. I'd be willing to bet I could get $10 a shop for those on eBay. And if it weren't for NKG having so many copies of Montie Haul and Compleat Tavers, I'[d bet you could sell counterfiet Monie Hails and Complete Taverns pretty successfully on eBay too. Furthermore, if you found a fake PoVQ or DG, I bet you could sell it for $30-50 on eBay as a 'modern reproduction of the first ever dungeon, circa 1990.' Photocopies have velue on eBay. Maybe not PoVQ, but we see them in lots of one sort or another pretty regularily.


That dude was right.
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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:11 am 
 

I didn't know anything about counterfiets until I bought the Wanderer's, so I was also a sucker.  :D  Live and learn.


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:18 am 
 

TheMilford wrote:Are these counterfeit or some sort of tourny thing?


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Should we report?


I was only refering to this listing.
Not the other one with the B&W sheets that were loose.

1979:  Character Record Sheets.  Tom Wham artwork on cover.  Wizard logo.  Copyright still reads "1977", but "TM Reg App For" has been removed.   Versions with blue, yellow, grey, or green covers and pink, orange, grey, or green sheets have been reported (other than colors, they appear identical).  One copy has been spotted that is a side-tearing pad, but the vast majority appear to be top-tearing.






I do not know if that auction linked above had these specific PC Pads by TSR, but those PC Sheets came in all sorts of colors.

Besides, who would go to all the trouble of ordering/making/buying entire PADS of fake PC sheets?


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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:25 am 
 

SoulCatcher78 wrote:Giant picture lot has come down in price for anyone interested:


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I think he'd have an easier time of it if he'd rethink his shipping options though.




A lot of 3.0 duplicates, and most of the stuff looks slightly warped in some way. By looking at the pictures, it looked like he was selling this stuff out of the trunk of his car...   :(



And I'm sure he could cut his cost by sending it through the post office instead of UPS. UPS always seems to be higher to ship than the post office.



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25 Hardback books

52 Softcover books

7 Boxes sets

10 Magazines

1 Monstrous Compendium (frame)

4 Misc items (2 Waterdeep sets of maps?, 1 Planescape set, and something else I forgot...)

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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:I do not know if that auction linked above had these specific PC Pads by TSR, but those PC Sheets came in all sorts of colors.
Besides, who would go to all the trouble of ordering/making/buying entire PADS of fake PC sheets?

Auction not for Tom Wham character sheets, but photocopies of the most popular 1E sheets. A lot of shops sold fakes, because the originals were so expensive at the time, so probably genuine 80's counterfiets. As regards your speculation about why people would go that far, I have genuine counterfiet 2nd Edition D&D character sheets that were never even printed as a product. A full pad of 50, blue ink on white paper. Very professionally printed, but unfortunately very fake as well. Probably unique in terms of collectable fakes. Doubt I'll ever see another pad. These counterfiets are probably worth buying on the very basis that someone went to such an extent to creat them in the first place.


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