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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:29 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Can you guarantee that the screws will go through the mod, so as to stop it sliding around in between the wood and damaging the edges?


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I will use constuction adhesive to hold the mods in place.  May take some work peeling off the cover when it arrives though :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:39 am 
 

screws are fine, makes it fit into my ringbinder easier...


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:32 am 
 

tacojohn4547 wrote:Speaking from first hand experience, order fulfillment is about the least glorious part of being a small-press game publisher. It's very time consuming, and it can be very expensive. Doing it right will keep your customers coming back for repeated orders.  Doing it wrong will drive customers and potential customers away quickly.  It's really no more complicated that making the right choice between those two outcomes.


And this is why Badmike is shipping out the EO prints and not anyone else on the committee.  It's not easy, but he does it right.  8)


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:53 am 
 

Hi,

I have to admit, it IS a thankless task, but the Missus always makes sure her shipments are bomb proof.

She's just had a "lost" order returned from 3 months in Russia, with the contents still intact and in good order, tho the envelope has suffered. (no idea why it has been returned - they have attached a helpful label in Cyrillic, which neither of us read!).

She does seem to spend hours cutting up cardboard to package things up tho.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:14 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:I think dwarf has been reasonable. I wouldn`t have expected my mod to arrive damaged as a result of lesser quality packing. I thought priority cardboard envelopes at $14 was the cheapest way out of the US and I'd be happy with that.
Anything less is a sellers gamble, I'd say, because if a rigid envelope gets bent,then thats bad luck with poor postal services. I think in this case packaging could have been stronger.
JZ, would you have accepted a damaged package, as you suggest dwarf should?


My own experience with Dwarf is that he wanted to buy an expensive shrinkwrapped item from me and have it sent in an envelope. I ended the transaction because to me that is a huge gamble that the item will arrive damaged. After seeing his post I am thankful I didn't relent.

Whenever I purchase an item I post this message:

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Thanks for the auction (book, module, etc...). Please use two thick pieces of cardboard to protect all four corners of the book during shipping (the cardboard needs to be at least as wide and as long as the book itself), and please place the book in a sealed plastic bag such as a supermarket bag taped shut (my mailman leaves packages in the rain), and lastly, please write Do Not Bend on both sides of the package.

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So, would I accept a damaged package from a non-ebay sale from a trusted seller because I went the cheap route for internationational shipping? Yes, because it would be my own damn fault for not checking with the seller or writing a simple note on how I wanted my item shipped.

NOTE: Especialy after reading that the seller describes EXACTLY how the item is going to be packaged. (bag and board, photomailer).

As Dwarf says I do not hesitate to decry bad packaging from sellers. That is because when I receive crap packing it is from sellers who ignore even the basics of securing a package after a specifc request for the package to be put together in a particular way.

I understand the idea that the customer is always right and that a good rep is worth more than gold, but in my opinion getting dicked over by a buyer because they chose cheap shipping isn't worth the aggravation.

But, I do say, take the risk out completely and only ship in a box, even if it does up the shipping cost and lose some customers.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:23 am 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:17 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
But, I do say, take the risk out completely and only ship in a box, even if it does up the shipping cost and lose some customers.


I can testify that boxes are no guarantee.  Over the years I have had several items damaged significantly that were in boxes.  That being said, it is my preferred method for shipment though.  Boxes tend to provide additional buffer from shipping services "misdeeds".

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:37 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:
I can testify that boxes are no guarantee.  Over the years I have had several items damaged significantly that were in boxes.  That being said, it is my preferred method for shipment though.  Boxes tend to provide additional buffer from shipping services "misdeeds".


It is true that nothing is really safe from the depredations of the postal system, but I've shipped around 30,000 packages in boxes over the years through the USPS and never had a single item damaged. Boxed, with a plastic bag, and packed tight in crumpled newspaper that is.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:11 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
My own experience with Dwarf is that he wanted to buy an expensive shrinkwrapped item from me and have it sent in an envelope. I ended the transaction because to me that is a huge gamble that the item will arrive damaged. After seeing his post I am thankful I didn't relent.



Jason, you should also say that I asked you to ship the SW item with a priority flat-rate envelope, not with a thin mailer envelope without protection in it, shipped with first class. The USPS priority flat rate envelope is both fair priced, reliable, fast and flexible in the number of items and package inside it. You are a serious collector and seller, so I'm sure you will have put serious protection in it, and not shipped it with a loose SW item inside.

For me, priority flat-rate envelope prooved to be a very reliable shipping method, as the weight has no importance so no price increase and there is enough place to put rigid protection inside. Of course without any rigid cardboard inside (and plastic bag like you say, especially for SW item), it's exactly as poor as the the photomailer or worse. Fortunately, all excellent web sellers like Nobleknight or Dragon's Trove use the priority flat-rate envelope. Nobleknight places the modules between two rigid cardboards larger than the modules and the whole is put inside a bag from USPS that is resistant to water and very resistant to tears. I ordered many times from them and never had a problem and it seems that it's the same for most collectors here. You should try that Jason.

To be complete in my answer to Jason, the main reason you gave to me for not accepting to ship to me was the risk of a lost parcel, you explained to me that you were "unconfortable" about the fact that the package was untrackable. But I guess there is possibly another reason behind your reluctance in shipping outside US. It's of course your seller's right, it's mine as a collector who is searching a wanted item to ask you for a system that prooved to be a good one for dozens of orders. Fortunately, most US sellers here or on Ebay ship with that good method and then I have still a chance to get wanted items I canno't find outside US.

Hope you will change one day your position and that I will be able to buy items from you. Your MV1 in SW is still wanted.

We are both collectors Jason, please keep this in mind.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:15 pm 
 

I went ahead and adjusted the shipping on the website to account for a cardboard insert.  You are still welcome to ask for boxed shipping also.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:42 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
It is true that nothing is really safe from the depredations of the postal system, but I've shipped around 30,000 packages in boxes over the years through the USPS and never had a single item damaged. Boxed, with a plastic bag, and packed tight in crumpled newspaper that is.


Definitely packed tight in the box!

That is what happened to Castle Zagyg, The Upper Works.  It was in a box, but the boxed set was left loose inside.  The box slid about inside and tore its own corners during normal shipping.  A piece of newspaper wrapped around the box would have protected the corners.  Some  crumpled newspaper would have prevented the sliding.  Just a small amount of professional care can make a huge difference.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:24 pm 
 

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Jason, you should also say that I asked you to ship the SW item with a priority flat-rate envelope, not with a thin mailer envelope without protection in it, shipped with first class. The USPS priority flat rate envelope is both fair priced, reliable, fast and flexible in the number of items and package inside it. You are a serious collector and seller, so I'm sure you will have put serious protection in it, and not shipped it with a loose SW item inside.

For me, priority flat-rate envelope prooved to be a very reliable shipping method, as the weight has no importance so no price increase and there is enough place to put rigid protection inside. Of course without any rigid cardboard inside (and plastic bag like you say, especially for SW item), it's exactly as poor as the the photomailer or worse. Fortunately, all excellent web sellers like Nobleknight or Dragon's Trove use the priority flat-rate envelope. Nobleknight places the modules between two rigid cardboards larger than the modules and the whole is put inside a bag from USPS that is resistant to water and very resistant to tears. I ordered many times from them and never had a problem and it seems that it's the same for most collectors here. You should try that Jason.

To be complete in my answer to Jason, the main reason you gave to me for not accepting to ship to me was the risk of a lost parcel, you explained to me that you were "unconfortable" about the fact that the package was untrackable. But I guess there is possibly another reason behind your reluctance in shipping outside US. It's of course your seller's right, it's mine as a collector who is searching a wanted item to ask you for a system that prooved to be a good one for dozens of orders. Fortunately, most US sellers here or on Ebay ship with that good method and then I have still a chance to get wanted items I canno't find outside US.

Hope you will change one day your position and that I will be able to buy items from you. Your MV1 in SW is still wanted.

We are both collectors Jason, please keep this in mind.


A priority flat rate envelope is thinner than a cereal box. It is also a tight fit with the thick cardboard necessary for even minimal protection. What it does not do is protect corners from being dinged or bent because there isn't room for adequate corner padding, and the most likely result of using it for any kind of shipping is at least one dinged corner.

I am uncomfortable shipping any item without tracking especially an item going through two postal services. But sending an item that is likely to be damaged, an expensive item, that was the end of the transaction for me.

I have been shipping books and modules for about as long as Dragonstrove and longer than Nobleknight (though Aaron quickly became a well-funded professional retailer). What I have learned is that no matter what the customer says regarding acceptable risks they will not be happy with the seller if the item arrives damaged. That is why regardless of the experience or practices of other sellers I would never ship an item without a box.

When a buyer is told exactly how an item is going to be packaged and accepts that method, then they accept the risks of that go along with it. If I get an item that is damaged because the seller ignored packing instructions I complain about it (and if on ebay I leave suitable feedback). If I get an item that the post office has mangled despite the seller doing everything right, I complain to the post office. For expensive items I insist on boxed shipping and I have never had a problem when they are packed correctly.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:56 pm 
 

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Although I love to talk about packaging as much as anyone ( and I am not kidding here), may I just take a moment to discuss the product (which arrived in pristine condition, btw).  I have been fortunate enough to be introduced to this great game by some pretty awesome DMs - all of whom I met on this site - who were kind enough to invite me to venture into gaming via Skype and gametable; and then there were a few others that I met at NTRPG Con.  Legendary DMs, those.  I have learned to love this game, and have wished I could share it with my family.  Insidious arrived at an opportune time.  It advertised itself as a "Ready to Roll" adventure.  So I assembled the two kids I have currently at home (19yrs and 17yrs) and my husband.  Gave them their choice of pre-gen characters.  And away we went.  I did have to make some adjustments as the game progressed.  Such as activating one of the pre-gen clerics as an NPC when I realized that this party was going to need some healing.  And fast!  But let me say that despite my total inexperience in the DM chair, fun was had by all.  It was great to have all the basic info right in front of me.  I did put a PHB on the table, as the module references those pages should the player want more detail, but it was not needed.  Many comments about our game have been made around the dinner table this week, and all seem to be looking forward to Sunday's continuation.  So just wanted to thank you so much for that.  For making it easy to look like I had a clue.  And for creating a game we can gather around and play with ease.  Love that.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:12 am 
 

And isnt that what its all about!   :D


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:51 am 
 

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And this is why Badmike is shipping out the EO prints and not anyone else on the committee.  It's not easy, but he does it right.  8)


It's a tough job, seriously, so I feel for the Bros.  I'll be sweating every single tube until they arrive, because even though they are good quality there is always the possibility of damage. The question always becomes "How much is enough, or how much is too much".  There comes a point when outlay of materials for shipping is over what you will need for 99% of the packages to prevent damage.  Is the buyer willing to pay the extra in that case?  Tough choices.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:12 am 
 

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**hug back**

Although I love to talk about packaging as much as anyone ( and I am not kidding here), may I just take a moment to discuss the product (which arrived in pristine condition, btw).  I have been fortunate enough to be introduced to this great game by some pretty awesome DMs - all of whom I met on this site - who were kind enough to invite me to venture into gaming via Skype and gametable; and then there were a few others that I met at NTRPG Con.  Legendary DMs, those.  I have learned to love this game, and have wished I could share it with my family.  Insidious arrived at an opportune time.  It advertised itself as a "Ready to Roll" adventure.  So I assembled the two kids I have currently at home (19yrs and 17yrs) and my husband.  Gave them their choice of pre-gen characters.  And away we went.  I did have to make some adjustments as the game progressed.  Such as activating one of the pre-gen clerics as an NPC when I realized that this party was going to need some healing.  And fast!  But let me say that despite my total inexperience in the DM chair, fun was had by all.  It was great to have all the basic info right in front of me.  I did put a PHB on the table, as the module references those pages should the player want more detail, but it was not needed.  Many comments about our game have been made around the dinner table this week, and all seem to be looking forward to Sunday's continuation.  So just wanted to thank you so much for that.  For making it easy to look like I had a clue.  And for creating a game we can gather around and play with ease.  Love that.


I hope Jo is ready to give a recap...maybe on the chat this week.....!

Questions to be answered:

1. Was the blender going full speed to keep up with the extra demand as Jo "lubricated" her vocal chords?

2. Was Jo grateful the pre-gens had names and so unlike a certain DM she has she was not stuck with naming characters spur of the moment awful names like Kumar, Damu, Gra-Gra or Sholo?

Anyway kudos to Jo for introducing her family to the game, I have been lucky enough to game with my step-daughter for a few years when she was a teen, and I can definitely say it brought us closer together. If "Insidious" and other products like it are able to introduce new generations to the game we love, it's a huge win for the old school.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:32 am 
 

i really need to get my hands on one of these....


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:37 am 
 

My copies arrive safe and sound in their box.  Thanks guys!

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