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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:15 am 
 

Unless of course Kynan has a copy of PoVQ where some kid has been overly entusiastic about filling in the details. That's a possibility, but without comparing to atleast a few other authenticated copies, it's hard to tell. You can't really tell anything from paper colour without doing a side by side comparison, and I think ToT have already identified that LZ used different shadings of paper.
Alternatively, maybe we're looking at different snapshots in time here. One is maybe 1982 the other 1988 after many subsequent photocopies from photocopies and the inevitable degradation of images.
And of course the vampire queen turns into a puff of smoke, just like in the movies.


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:20 am 
 

bombadil wrote:OH MY GOD!  IS THAT A NIPPLE?


Ummnnn I counted TWO nipples.


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:21 am 
 

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Ummnnn I counted TWO nipples.

... and chicken pox.


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:29 am 
 

Wait, two nipples AND the pox?  I think I know this chick!


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:32 am 
 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

>ADDITIONAL<
The 'nipple' version of PoVQ above has the Lou Zocchi sticker.
The Lou Zocchi stickered version on eBay also has the nipples and additional Queen detailing.
Could it be that Lou Zocchi added additional detail to the artwork?
Seems a bit far fetched, but does anyone have any other cover scans we can compare?


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:02 pm 
 

One more detail, IIRC, the Bella sheets measure 8.5" x 11", not A4.


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

I don't think any of the 'UK Photocopy' PoVQs are A4. I think they're all US sized. And the red stripe ziplock is pretty standard for the UK version too. Makes me think maybe they were shipped to the UK from the US. Although those stickers on the ziplock seem to indicate it was originally sourced in the US (or at least the ziplock was), or maybe just the sticker.  :wink:  Presume everything else in the lot was legit? It was a job lot IIRC. Anyone got piccies?


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:59 pm 
 

The lot included a nice 1st print Tegel (putting at least that item at ca. 1977) and a few other things, including some hand drawn dungeon maps and notes.  I'll see if I can find them and look for dates on those sheets.  

So Ian, if the Tower cover PoVQs that showed up in the UK were on U.S. standard sized paper, doesn't that shoot down your argument that they were copied in the UK?


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:39 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Bingo! Look at the figures on the balconies!

thought was in discussion but most speculation was neon yellow looking back +thx

mbassoc2003 wrote:Alternatively, maybe we're looking at different snapshots in time here. One is maybe 1982 the other 1988 after many subsequent photocopies from photocopies and the inevitable degradation of images.
And of course the vampire queen turns into a puff of smoke, just like in the movies.

1978 or near even 1977 phps fits best tegel csio early wds as you know viewtopic.php?p=22333&highlight=#22333 ;) ;) only exception strange jade hare?? $5 tag too low for that late + was clueless seller. nice idea but no cougar needed :3

1982 + 1988 not even close to frame on other 3rds was six years random guess to fit late 1980s early 1990s looking for?? ^^
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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:48 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Did anyone ever track down Yakima Games, and what's the other sticker read?

I guess that "Yakima" refers to Yakima, Washington.  That is on the west coast of the United States.

  


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:09 pm 
 

Yeah, Washington.  I looked up Yakima Games either just before or just after buying the Bella.  Can't recall what I came up with.


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Post Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:40 pm 
 

had thought might check more> viewtopic.php?p=18785#18785 ^^
dont know that part beyond cascades so well but original flgs probable well gone by 2002 anyway when was there -v-

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:42 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I think there is a lot of evidence that the so called '2nd printing' is actually a print over run from the 1st printing without the black folder. Paper and print quality all appear to be identical. Evidence seems to be that they had more module papers printed than they had folders.


This is from and an email exchange with Judy last year:

...Palace of the Vampire Queen was first packaged in the black folder
inside a ziplock bag. The sheets were not bound. The second printing
had a green cover sheet and was packaged loose in a ziplock bag. I
ran across one of the black covers recently. There were evidently
extras and my mother had been using them for filing. We didn't keep
samples of the module....


- So Judy's mom still has some extra folders she is using for personal filings of misc paper work... don't bother, I already offered to buy them all form her last year ... no sale... and you know I over pay for stuff...

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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:53 am 
 

bombadil wrote:So Ian, if the Tower cover PoVQs that showed up in the UK were on U.S. standard sized paper, doesn't that shoot down your argument that they were copied in the UK?

Not really. Just another observation. It's all data. US paper size does not preclude UK photocopying. But the date sticker and accompanying supporting product add weight. Just find the difference between the front covers a little off. Seems as though either Zocchi 'enhanced' his covers, or there are two seperate covers, one for the UK market without the princess, and one for the US market with the princess. But then the UK Basic would not suggest there is a censorship issue in play. So why two differenct covers is my query?


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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:40 am 
 

ScketreWhisp wrote:- So Judy's mom still has some extra folders she is using for personal filings of misc paper work... don't bother, I already offered to buy them all form her last year ... no sale... and you know I over pay for stuff...


Did she say WHY?
Seems silly to hang onto something like that.
I would either sell them, or trash/burn them to protect against frankensteins.
Probably the latter is the best choice.


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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:49 am 
 

Or printing and selling them at $1K a shot. Would be a much better choice. Might as well add a new 1st Print Beta into the list of some 10 printings of this module.


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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:25 am 
 

A green cover sheet?


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Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:41 am 
 

I know, I questioned her on that, she later said it might have been yellow ... you know, 30+ years in the past and it's hard to remember colors :)

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