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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:56 am 
 

oh and btw...i get outbid by all and sundry MANY times. it won't be the first time and it most certainly won't be the last.

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it keeps things fun, because it still gives you that kick looking for something. anyone with an ounce of patience will always come across what they want eventually.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:02 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Hey, I'll be honest, here. I don't like it when I get outbid by one of you reseller guys on something I really wanted, but I figure I couldn't have wanted it all that much if I got outbid (or, maybe Im just much more poor than I thought, or have really crappy appraisal skills...) Why? Because I know a reseller doesn't really care... they just want to buy it, turn around and sell it again and make some money. Me: I want the item... to use it, not to say "ooh, cha-ching!" :) But, I don't like getting outbid, ever, cause then I have to go on the hunt again. Sniper bastards. ;)


The thing of it is though not only did Mike have his bid in first, but his bid was also about 1/4 of what it could have(and realistically should have) gone for.  Thats not price fixing nor is it trying to control the market, thats just trying to snag a cheapy deal.   Now if Mike had several of these same modules listed in his store at $30+ each and he was consistantly tossing in bid(s) of $25+ every time they came up, it could be viewed in a different light, but even still that really doesn't come anywhere close to justifying the type of "little man hiding behind fake Ebay ID(s)" vigilante tactics either.

The guy obviously has some serious mental problems and he seems to get off on trying to antagonize people as long as he can remain anonymous.  As soon as he got exposed, he started to cut and run immediately like the gutless turd that he is.  People like this guy are bad for everyone, both buyers and sellers alike.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:13 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I also contacted him last night with the heading "Nick/mr-monte-hall" in the email, asking him very politely to please desist threatening Acaeum members or he would be turned into Ebay authorities.


Very noble, Mike.  This guy certainly caused you some grief yesterday and his reaction to your bidding on an item he wanted is definitely overblown and unwarranted.  In his mind, you have become the poster child for all RPG resellers on Ebay.  So congratulations for that honor, I think. 8O However, his classification of 'reseller = evil incarnate' is simply ridiculous.  

BClarkie wrote:You all should be paying me for this sh*t.


Nice work, Brian! :D   Glad to see that you can always be coaxed out of retirement for one, last good fight!  :D

serlan wrote:Because I know a reseller doesn't really care... they just want to buy it, turn around and sell it again and make some money.


I think I saw that show on the Discovery Channel, "Flip This Module"  :D  :D  :D  

serlan wrote:But, I don't like getting outbid, ever, cause then I have to go on the hunt again. Sniper bastards.


Me too, brother.  But then I consider this part of the fun of collecting. :)


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:23 pm 
 

I should probably also note, that I may actually know this guys last name, but since I am only about 80% on it I won't post it. :)  That said I am tempted to send a message to a member of this forum and whom Mr-not-so-tough-now-that-he-is-exposed-Monty-Hall had just recently bought from and get all of his information...


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:31 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Thats not price fixing nor is it trying to control the market ...

Both of which are nearly impossible (if not literally impossible) and unrealistic for more than 99 percent of the items we discuss here, especially TSR items (with their huge print runs).

"Cornering the market" is a complete myth; it's an economic term that people throw around because it sounds cool. I'm always sort of amused when it gets used incorrectly (not singling you out, BC; I know you know how these things work ... just using your post as a talking point).

There's only two attempts I can think of that might have had the slightest effect on D&D collectibles. Cougie has done himself far more harm than good with his ridiculous Bloodstone plan, but he's probably managed to affect the average sale price by a few dollars. And there's the Dragon Magazine guy (who posts here, although I'm not going to take the time to look it up right now) who is spending a lot of his own money to ensure that early issues reach a certain price point. When I think of the time, effort, and money that has gone into that project, though, I laugh out loud ... what a ludicrous way to spend your day.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:43 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
The thing of it is though not only did Mike have his bid in first, but his bid was also about 1/4 of what it could have(and realistically should have) gone for.  Thats not price fixing nor is it trying to control the market, thats just trying to snag a cheapy deal.   Now if Mike had several of these same modules listed in his store at $30+ each and he was consistantly tossing in bid(s) of $25+ every time they came up, it could be viewed in a different light, but even still that really doesn't come anywhere close to justifying the type of "little man hiding behind fake Ebay ID(s)" vigilante tactics either.

The guy obviously has some serious mental problems and he seems to get off on trying to antagonize people as long as he can remain anonymous.  As soon as he got exposed, he started to cut and run immediately like the gutless turd that he is.  People like this guy are bad for everyone, both buyers and sellers alike.



And just to reiterate...he went after Guido and Juliabulia also in his guise as "vecnapoop", two of the nicest resellers/dealers you have ever met. Nick/mr-monte-hall is just a pig, pure and simple, who reacts like a spoiled child when he doesn't get his module for the cheapest price possible.

If there was ever evidence the guy has NO stones, it's the puss ass disappearing act he pulled today when he realized the light was shone on his little hole.  Unfortunately for him, this forum has gotten very sophisticated in dealing with trolls like this, and it wasn't six hours later that dumbass was exposed as the creep he really is.  Now I suspect he's going to have to debate closing out his 8 year ebay account..because he's finished if he ever thinks he's going to win something on ebay ever again, not with those stupid low ball bids he places that make it so easy to wipe out.  And everytime he tries his bullshit act again of trying to buy all the items in someone's store, he'll just add more evidence to the mound that's already accumulated, and it will make it just that much easier for Ebay to shut him down.  Frankly I don't think he'll do it again...he doesn't seem like the evil mastermind type...more the stab in the back and run away type.

The funniest part? I had put that bid more as a placeholder than anything.....the same dealer had a bunch of other SW stuff (which I did NOT bid on) and Iwanted to remind myself to check it out later to see what it all went for.  And to top it off Nicky STILL got a great deal besides having to pay MORE THAN $6 for the module. Geez.  If you check his bidding history, he is one seriously cheapskate dude, just can't stand to spend more than $10 on anything. If you don't have the big ones to hang with the big boys, you need to think about another hobby, Nicky.  You're done here, dude.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:44 pm 
 

one word of advice for ANYONE who gets grumpy like this getting outbid, is NEVER go to GenCon.


I don't agree. There is a huge psychological difference between being able to see the guy bidding on you, and just some random name that pops up in the last second, because an electronic system was used... Granted, phone auctions can end in similar results, but I like "real auctions" with "real people" there. Its far more exciting - sometimes, its worth losing just to see how the other guy won. There is none of that with eBay.

But, I'm getting over the whole "I didn't win" thing. :) Always another one, right? And, if I had truly wanted it, I'd have probably bid higher... someone wanted it more. They can have it for more than I was going to pay. :)


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:48 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I've actually bid on two of the items on his list ...

I really don't need a fourth copy of RtWPM, but I wouldn't mind winning those Thieves World books, honestly. I've been wanting to re-read the series for a couple of years now.

So ... if no one else has any interest other than bugging this guy, I've got that listing covered.  :wink: If someone else is honestly interested, then no biggie ... all is fair in love, war, and eBay, and all that jazz.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:58 pm 
 

I put literally DOZENS of bids on Teronus from Grenadier before I got one. When I did, it was stupidly cheap.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:58 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Hey, I'll be honest, here. I don't like it when I get outbid by one of you reseller guys on something I really wanted, but I figure I couldn't have wanted it all that much if I got outbid (or, maybe Im just much more poor than I thought, or have really crappy appraisal skills...) Why? Because I know a reseller doesn't really care... they just want to buy it, turn around and sell it again and make some money. Me: I want the item... to use it, not to say "ooh, cha-ching!" :) But, I don't like getting outbid, ever, cause then I have to go on the hunt again. Sniper bastards. ;)


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:18 pm 
 

Let me just say to everyone involved in this investigation . . . you guys friggin rock!!   I have no clue how to track people down using the tools that you do, and I must say, I am mightily impressed.

My wife has been reading this thread over my shoulder and has been busting a gut.  

Thanks to all of you.   

BC, Bad Mike, and Xaxaxe - I am busting my ass to get to Gen Con this year.   Assuming I can get there (my wife has just gotta get a job soon), dinner is on me.    I owe you all bigtime for various reasons.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:09 pm 
 

No offense intended.


Likewise. I find it more funny than annoying, but there are times when I just get absolutely sick of being outbid... especially because it is 99% someone here doing it. :) Makes me wonder if you all are stalking me. ;)

Hehe. I just need more cash to keep up.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:38 pm 
 

Guido-the-Gypsy wrote:Let me just say to everyone involved in this investigation . . . you guys friggin rock!!   I have no clue how to track people down using the tools that you do, and I must say, I am mightily impressed.

My wife has been reading this thread over my shoulder and has been busting a gut.  

Thanks to all of you.   

BC, Bad Mike, and Xaxaxe - I am busting my ass to get to Gen Con this year.   Assuming I can get there (my wife has just gotta get a job soon), dinner is on me.    I owe you all bigtime for various reasons.


We'd love to see you.  Seems the Acaeum is going to have a mighty big cheering section this year.....!

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:18 am 
 

To Whom it May Concern:

I don't care if you like what I post on my About Me page because I have a right to post it.

I've never bid on any of BadMike3Books auctions and I've never sent him any emails. I definitely didn't send the one posted in this thread. I also never held a roadrunner account, never lived in Tampa, or sent anything more threatening to another ebay user than an occasional note that unless an auctioned game comes in a package that includes a few live players too, then maybe the shipping price is out of control.

Your "investigation" is stupid. Your evidence is pretty much that an email from a hotmail account goes to a myspace page for a user named "Nick" in the same city as me and that I have an about me page which says I hate resellers.

Wow. Caught completely red handed. Buckle me up and drop the pill in the pan.

Some of you know me (have mailed things to me) and know my name isn't Nick. Still, since your abortion of an investigation I've received a half a dozen nasty comments through the ebay system from cocky, arrogant jerks that have nothing better to do with their time than to "get back" at me. Some of these guys think its funny to screw around with auctions I'm trying to win. God, just reading some of the stuff you write to me, each other, and your customers is the most obnoxious thing ever.

If you think you have a valid complaint -- then you turn over emails with headers to ebay, ISPs, and law enforcement. You don't do what you just did to me. Roadrunner and hotmail are responsive to complaints that include headers.

If you want to keep me on your blocked list, whatever. I try not to buy from you guys anyway if I know you're occupational resellers. Maybe some resellers are actually nice people (just not the ones who post here). Well its nothing against you as people -- it is my personal choice not to support a behavior that I consider objectionable.

I'm not a vengeful person but God help you guys if stuff starts showing up at my house or if one of you stalkers starts calling my phone.

To anyone on this list who has dealt with me, and has my contact information -- I would appreciate if you would review it and post any blatant conflicts with the information bclarkie and others have posted -- but WITHOUT posting my personal information.

I'm sorry that you guys make the time to deal with this garbage. I don't. I expect this to stop and I expect to be able to buy and sell without conspiring, reselling jerks messing up my auctions. I plan to continue using the userid I've had for eight years because I have a great record with it. It's better than some of yours even if my numbers are a lot lower.

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:38 am 
 

mr-monte-hall wrote:I don't care if you like what I post on my About Me page because I have a right to post it.

If you don't care, why did you just delete the entire page? If I was more of a cynic, I'd almost say that such an action looks pretty suspicious ...

Not that it matters, though. In case you missed it, your (former) About Me page is available for viewing on page 4 of this thread. Gotta love that Acaeum thoroughness. That's how we roll.

mr-monte-hall wrote:Some of these guys think its funny to screw around with auctions I'm trying to win.

Jesus Christ ... relax, Nancy. No one really cares that much.

Here's the funny thing: I didn't win any of those recent auctions, either. Why? Because I got ... wait for it ... outbid. That's right, I lost out to other users who were willing to *gasp!* pay more for the items than I was. Unlike you, though, I don't see it as a vast conspiracy led by some sort of vague Reseller Mafia. Since I operate in the real world, I see it for what it is: I got outbid. Simple as.  

I gotta tell you, all kidding aside ... after looking at your recent bidding history, it's painfully obvious that no one here is actually your problem. Your problem is that you need to jam a crowbar into your wallet if you ever expect to win any auctions on eBay. If you want to keep placing lowball bids on everything, that's your business, but don't come crying here about some delusional reseller conspiracy when you get outbid 19 out of 20 times.

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And now, I'm done with this nonsense. It's time for me to kick back with some popcorn and see if your story can hold up to the inevitable poking and prodding it will receive Saturday. It should be fun.

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:10 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Jesus Christ ... relax, Nancy. No one really cares that much.

Here's the funny thing: I didn't win any of those recent auctions, either. Why? Because I got ... wait for it ... outbid. That's right, I lost out to other users who were willing to *gasp!* pay more for the items than I was. Unlike you, though, I don't see it as a vast conspiracy led by some sort of vague Reseller Mafia. Since I operate in the real world, I see it for what it is: I got outbid. Simple as.  

I gotta tell you, all kidding aside ... after looking at your recent bidding history, it's painfully obvious that no one here is actually your problem. Your problem is that you need to jam a crowbar into your wallet if you ever expect to win any auctions on eBay. If you want to keep placing lowball bids on everything, that's your business, but don't come crying here about some delusional reseller conspiracy when you get outbid 19 out of 20 times.

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Who the hell do you think you are to tell me how to bid.

I didn't come "crying" here because I got outbid. I came here because jerks (like you) kept harrassing me and wouldn't stop screwing with my auctions and TOLD me to come here.

And man I'm sorry, but you seem to be the biggest one. I realize sometimes people do stupid things when they get angry. (I know I sound insane right now because I'm FURIOUS!) but have you LOOKED at your track record? That's not a record of someone who got angry once or twice. The blatant disrespect that you treat anyone with on this board or on ebay with which you have the slightest disagreement with is crazy. Don't tell me to relax. How about you treat me with some respect and maybe man up and apologize for the garbage you've been pulling and THEN maybe I can calm down.

To set the record straight, if I get outbid by someone, I don't do anything about it except get over it. Yes its aggravating when he is just going to resell it but I still don't do anything. And not that I owe anyone an explanation, but yes, I'm aware that "low-ball" bids will get me outbid most of the time. When I care enough, I put in a higher bid. When I don't care enough, or when someone is bidding who has made it clear that they're just trying to drive up my price, I don't.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:42 am 
 

Yeah X..You Jerk. See what he wrote once:

The what now?

Sorry, I need to look this one up. Anyone know of a good JG reference site?


I mean he's such an asshat :cry: er I mean :( (told myself to not cry)

Bring back the Gonzo avatar you Muppet!

What have you contributed to this site, huh...Troll!!!

Wait, who now?

Sorry, I need to look this person up. Anyone know of a good Acaeum member site list?

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:42 am 
 

Now, now, Shane, no need to get mad at him. I've been looking for a good JG site myself!  :lol:
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