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Post Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:48 am 
 

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I only recently began reading Playing at the World in earnest this past week. Serendipitously, a couple weeks prior I stumbled across a Don Featherstone "Wargame Rules" booklet (picture left), bought it, and did some research into its background and the wargames of the 1960's. (Of course, this prompted me to flip through the Chainmail rules again.) And because of the recent film release, I purchased a new copy of The Hobbit (picture right) and began reading it out loud to the family on New Year's Eve.

So Jon, as you can imagine, these strange coincidences of timing have created deeper resonances as I read your book!

Your book is truly an amazing work! My mind staggers at how much effort it must have taken to organize and collate all the information. You must have something akin to an broad-subject index (or electronic text versions?) of all the periodicals at your disposal to be able to drop in footnotes like #54 in Chapter 2, p. 117.

And I love the bits of dry humor in lines like this:
[Three Hearts and Three Lions] ... also introduced the conceit of a cosmic battle between the opposing forces of "Law" and "Chaos," which would be appropriated by ... some games of note.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:01 am 
 

Guy Fullerton wrote:a new copy of The Hobbit (picture right)


This edition is one of the greats of book design. The prose is perfect, & unlike the rest of Tolkien's work, self-contained. The interior illustrations are perfect. The dust cover is this perfect balance of old & new. It fits into the fairytale setting (19th-century art nouveau/romanticism), but with a clean, minimal, modernist art deco finish - the trees and mountains are un-detailed, symmetrically aligned geometric angles, all focused around a big red dot (or depending on the printing, a white circle that is the same color as the sky). It's a graphic design which makes the book look good on any bookshelf, surrounded by anything else.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:29 am 
 

Guy Fullerton wrote:[ Image ]

I only recently began reading Playing at the World in earnest this past week. Serendipitously, a couple weeks prior I stumbled across a Don Featherstone "Wargame Rules" booklet (picture left), bought it, and did some research into its background and the wargames of the 1960's. (Of course, this prompted me to flip through the Chainmail rules again.) And because of the recent film release, I purchased a new copy of The Hobbit (picture right) and began reading it out loud to the family on New Year's Eve.

So Jon, as you can imagine, these strange coincidences of timing have created deeper resonances as I read your book!

Your book is truly an amazing work! My mind staggers at how much effort it must have taken to organize and collate all the information. You must have something akin to an broad-subject index (or electronic text versions?) of all the periodicals at your disposal to be able to drop in footnotes like #54 in Chapter 2, p. 117.

And I love the bits of dry humor in lines like this:
[Three Hearts and Three Lions] ... also introduced the conceit of a cosmic battle between the opposing forces of "Law" and "Chaos," which would be appropriated by ... some games of note.


Glad to hear that you're enjoying the book, Guy. I did take copious notes on the contents of fanzines that helped me to draw necessary connections and so on, but the more colorful elements, like reference in the footnote you mention here, were easy to keep in mind. I often compare this sort of history to playing Concentration with ten or fifteen thousand cards to remember, and it really is hard to imagine how professional historians managed resources before searchable computerized indices.

Featherstone and Tolkien are both important to the history of role-playing games, but in my research I was surprised to find how vehemently Featherstone opposed both fantasy gaming and creating stories through games. There is a reasonable case to be made that his objections prevented folks like Tony Bath from developing a fantasy role-playing game system years before D&D. It makes you wonder what might have been...

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:59 pm 
 

I've been reading, it slowly.  Currently at location 6313 of 21918.  Well, a few more pages, since reading this thread.

Been interesting.

I want Tim Kask's memoirs.

Sandy Petersen's too.

With Frank Metzer, I think you would get a great troika of perspectives that might say more than anyone else.

Guess the authorized Gygax biography is never going to surface after all.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:09 pm 
 

For me, the important part about the book is filling in so many gaps.

I was always the "outside" inside guy, if that makes any sense.  So I got many, many snap shots, but almost all from the outside, and often (when it was from someone other than Gary) from someone with an agenda.

So I would be told "x" but would not know it.

Other than getting a necromancer, this book as been the next best thing.

My comments, from my first pass at the book, are here:  http://apostephen.blogspot.com/2012/09/ ... rrata.html

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:50 am 
 

Steve Marsh wrote:For me, the important part about the book is filling in so many gaps.

I was always the "outside" inside guy, if that makes any sense.  So I got many, many snap shots, but almost all from the outside, and often (when it was from someone other than Gary) from someone with an agenda.

So I would be told "x" but would not know it.

Other than getting a necromancer, this book as been the next best thing.

My comments, from my first pass at the book, are here:  http://apostephen.blogspot.com/2012/09/playing-at-world-errata.html


Glad you didn't find the portions of the book that mention you too objectionable, Mr. Marsh. Necromancy would have been instrumental to my research had it been an option. Tony Bath, Jack Scruby, Robert Louis Stevenson... but where do you stop...

I also would be interested in the memoirs of Peterson (no relation), Mentzer and Kask, as they would largely span an area of time I didn't dare to cover. If I had a little more runway in the book, I would have included material about Peterson; I did uncover some early fanzine submissions of his, and I consider CoC an important turning point for RPGs.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:41 am 
 

Everyone will be at NTRPG Con this summer, if you can make it.

It is the only convention I go to these days.  Sandy will be there as will others.  My youngest daughter will show up in order to bring donuts for Tim Kask (a ritual with her).  Since my oldest daughter's husband just got called up and activated separately from his unit (which had just gone active service) and is being sent to Afghanistan for a year, she will probably be there too in order to run some more people over in the chariot races.

The ratio of people to people is really good.

If you wanted to interview some people you probably could not pick a better con.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:00 am 
 

Steve Marsh wrote:Everyone will be at NTRPG Con this summer, if you can make it.

It is the only convention I go to these days.  Sandy will be there as will others.  My youngest daughter will show up in order to bring donuts for Tim Kask (a ritual with her).  Since my oldest daughter's husband just got called up and activated separately from his unit (which had just gone active service) and is being sent to Afghanistan for a year, she will probably be there too in order to run some more people over in the chariot races.

The ratio of people to people is really good.

If you wanted to interview some people you probably could not pick a better con.


Im surprised more people don't use NTRPG con (and Garycon) as a good way to research RPG history. Really an under-used resource, and I wish more interviews would take place here.  

All the guys who attend are more than happy to open up on the old days.  Several of them (Dennis Sustarre, for example) have stories I've never before, probably because he doesn't go to conventions except for NTRPG con.  I'm sure there are lots of guys like that up in Wisconsin, also.

Happy to hear Heather might make it!  Your daughters are fun and we would love to have them both.  Doug has spoken to Sandy and he is coming as long as his European convention schedule allows it.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:55 pm 
 

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Steve Marsh wrote:Everyone will be at NTRPG Con this summer, if you can make it.

It is the only convention I go to these days.  Sandy will be there as will others.  My youngest daughter will show up in order to bring donuts for Tim Kask (a ritual with her).  Since my oldest daughter's husband just got called up and activated separately from his unit (which had just gone active service) and is being sent to Afghanistan for a year, she will probably be there too in order to run some more people over in the chariot races.

The ratio of people to people is really good.

If you wanted to interview some people you probably could not pick a better con.


Im surprised more people don't use NTRPG con (and Garycon) as a good way to research RPG history. Really an under-used resource, and I wish more interviews would take place here.  

All the guys who attend are more than happy to open up on the old days.  Several of them (Dennis Sustarre, for example) have stories I've never before, probably because he doesn't go to conventions except for NTRPG con.  I'm sure there are lots of guys like that up in Wisconsin, also.

Happy to hear Heather might make it!  Your daughters are fun and we would love to have them both.  Doug has spoken to Sandy and he is coming as long as his European convention schedule allows it.

Mike B.


I will try to make it to NTRPG this year, though that general time of year tends to have a lot of conflicts for me. I did get the chance to talk to people at LGGC (the precursor to GaryCon), and I found Con of the North was a pretty good place to find Twin Cities people who remember the old days.

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