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Post Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:44 pm 
 

I'd have to agree. Pulling one listing is not the solution. Any used item with a misleading stock photo over a minimal price threshold ($25 - $30) ought to have a photo of the actual item associated. In this thread alone numerous instances have been cited of relatively expensive items listed with pictures that are at odds with the descriptions (listing a set of OCE booklets in "VGC" without a box, with a picture of a shrinkwrapped OCE is ridiculous). They're just hurting themselves. I can only estimate how much more I'd've spent at NKG over the last year with better quality control and more attention to detail in the listings.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:00 pm 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:..... I can only estimate how much more I'd've spent at NKG over the last year with better quality control and more attention to detail in the listings.


I suspect I would have spent a hill of money with them as well.
Even with the conditions present now, I still buy from the on-line store on occasion.
Only once was I dissapointed in the item I got (see earlier page this thread).


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:25 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Let's see someone take action rather than wait for daddy to come home so he can ask permission to post a real picture instead of one that has been cleaned up/doctored/proxied.
Does this guy actually need Aaron's permission to tell the truth in writing on eBay? Where are his testicles and his spinal chord?

Are you an asshole all the time Ian?  Or is it just when you post here?  Why is it that the majority of people that do post here are civil and mature yet you always find a reason to be an immature prick regardless of the topic?  :evil:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:08 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Are you an asshole all the time Ian?  Or is it just when you post here?  Why is it that the majority of people that do post here are civil and mature yet you always find a reason to be an immature prick regardless of the topic?  :evil:

It's in my nature I guess. I just call it as I see it.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:29 am 
 

Hey everyone,



Well I don't buy from Noble Knight but thought this was interesting to point out.



2 KABAL RPG Books

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-KABAL-RPG-Books-/230740498943



Seller is using a picture from Noble Knight to sell their books. :P



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Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:22 am 
 

rhynne wrote:Hey everyone,

Well I don't buy from Noble Knight but thought this was interesting to point out.

2 KABAL RPG Books

** expired/removed eBay auction **


Seller is using a picture from Noble Knight to sell their books. :P

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I've seen that a couple times too now that you mention it, I guess a stock image is a stock image is a...



(Be careful, I think those books are two thirds of a box set)


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:47 am 
 

rhynne wrote:Hey everyone,

Well I don't buy from Noble Knight but thought this was interesting to point out.

2 KABAL RPG Books

** expired/removed eBay auction **


Seller is using a picture from Noble Knight to sell their books. :P

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Wonder if they (NKG) will tell them to remove the image from the listing? :lol:
After all it is wrong to use someone else's image and pretend it is yours right?

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I've seen that a couple times too now that you mention it, I guess a stock image is a stock image is a...

(Be careful, I think those books are two thirds of a box set)





Yes, I think those two books are indeed just parts of a 3 volume box set.


http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=6215




At the RPG Site it is ranked 2008 of just 2012 games...  :lol:


I have seen various listings in the past few weeks with 1-2 of the books, but have not seen the box itself, or any listings with all three books.


After reading the rule blurb and some comments at the link above, it looks like a mathematicians game to me.


I am NOT a mathematician...


Tough enough keeping track of monster stats and damage, and time for each round...


To have to delve even deeper into even more complicated mathematics seems to me that it would take all the fun out of gaming...


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:53 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Wonder if they (NKG) will tell them to remove the image from the listing? :lol:
After all it is wrong to use someone elses image and pretend it is yours right?

I doubt they are NKG's images in the first place. I do not ever recall seeing an image or photograph NKG has taken itself, but then I only browse the RPG stuff.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:55 pm 
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSR-Greyhawk-World-Greyhawk-Folio-2nd-Printing-VG-/130634507214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6a6c63ce




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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:27 pm 
 

... and their managers couldn't give a F.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:03 pm 
 

Well, I recently returned the Holmes Blue Book and am awaiting a refund to my account.

I have been fortunate, so far, as to have been treated very well regarding communication/s, and the willingness on NK part to correct and/or fix my personal problem.

Will keep everyone informed of my ultimate dis/satisfaction.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:26 pm 
 

Follow up:

Just received notice of total reimbursement to my account over the Holmes Blue Book fiasco. The person handling the matter, Matthew Starch, kept in frequent contact with me throughout the whole process and repeatedly assured me that NK would make things Right. They did. He did.

The predominantly poor experiences the members are posting regarding NK made/make me shudder. Was I treated differently for some reason?

In any case, I have only good things to say about NK--at present. This could change, if future circumstances require such.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:53 pm 
 

Gotta say I have always been happy with Noble Knight for at least three years now.

Although my collecting would not show up on the radar of most regular posters here (I am unlikely to be permitted by my spouse to debit our account for a $500 D&D collectible), I do trade with Noble Knight to the tune of several hundred dollars a year.

I have never, ever, had a single disappointing purchase from these guys. Whether it was a boxed set, a module, a magazine, the actual item shipped has always arrived in better condition than expected based on their website rating codes. I generally don't put too much faith in website photos from ANY internet vendor.

For the items they stock, reasonable prices, fast shipping (I can order on a Monday and receive my purchase from Wisconsin to Oregon by Thursday), I have been inclined to buy from Noble Knight for my collection before I look at Ebay.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:48 pm 
 

Dear Acaeum, valued customers, long term business associates, and dare I say a few friends,

From what I understand there are several concerns in this thread:

1) Noble Knight Games service, grading, etc, has been basically accused of being terrible, lately.

2) We don't post actual pictures of expensive items.

3) We used a picture(s) we should not have.

I will address all of these issues as best I can:

1) I do care about every little thing that happens in regards to NKG.  Short of my daughter, it is my life's work, and what I go to bed thinking about, and wake up thinking about.  The quality is never going to be perfect, especially since the business has grown "out of the basement" there are several people that handle things.  However, Rick is still the exclusive OOP grader, and barring that, not a whole lot has changed around here.   I was on vacation over the last few weeks, my annual January vacation.  I don't work 70 hours a week every week running NKG anymore.  NKG is more than a $ to me and always will be.  I can promise you these things:

a) If we make a mistake (and this will happen from time to time), it will be fixed, to your satisfaction.  I believe some people in this thread didn't even DO business with us (based on terminology and things they are saying which don't add up).  We do get confused for T&T and other companies quite often.  I don't mean to disregard anyone's legitimate issue but this whole thing feels like some sort of virtual monkey pile to me over resellers in general.  I do work here every day and do see what happens and its good work I'm proud of :)  We get compliments daily.  Nonetheless, you will get quality responses from anyone that works here and at least the record clearly shows that.  We love the Acaeum (I should have created this myself back in the day) but in some ways it is a nightmare to keep up with, there are so many different printings and variances (which of course change all the time as new info is found) that it literally is VERY difficult to be accurate all the time.   You will get a refund, a replacement or whatever you want if there is an issue.   I've never been offered MONEY BACK when there is a problem from another company, yet I encourage my employees to GIVE money away (discounts, half priced items, different items at less price, whatever) when there is a problem, if they see fit.  Who does that?  Well I do, because I trust our customers.  I've never said that before because I'm afraid someone will abuse it. However all that said, I do see what happens around here and I still do handle a good deal of the customer service and especially oversight of customer service and let me tell you, it's not as perfect as it could be (never can IMO) but I'm pretty darn proud of us and anyone that knows me will you I'm anal retentive and picky so I daresay we do not suck :)

b) The amount of mistakes we make is small.  There is approximately 1 mistake for every 100 items we ship.  That's pretty awesome compared to other companies, and when you consider the industry we are in, expected to be experts on every gaming product ever made, various printings, conditions, editions, etc., even more impressive.

c) There are just some customers that expect such a high level of perfectionism that they may find consistent small issues.  I had one customer that literally opened a brand new book and found a tiny wrinkle near the spine.  I sent him another (could find nothing wrong with it).  He found another tiny imperceptible issue.  I was honest with him - I don't think its best for us to do business, I can't help you.  Of course I hate to do that, but it shows that there is just a level of perfection required by some people that even NKG cannot satiate.  The bottom line is that by far most people have a positive experience with NKG and if I don't think you will, I'll tell you.  And if you are willing to be reasonable and work with us, I'll take the time to help the pickiest person out there.

2) We are a small operation.  We are not big.  We are not a faceless corporation.  We are approximately 1/10th maybe even 1/20th the size of T&T, from what I have read.  A long time ago I decided to stay small and manageable to continue to do business how I felt it should be done, despite the fact that I left literally millions (and millions) of dollars on the table doing that (yes some days I regret this lol).  If you want a real picture, ask us.  If it's a cheapo item, we probably aren't going to take one, it takes more time than we have.  You'd really sooner have us spend all our resources doing this?  How many cool collections and items would be lost?  We will describe this for you at any rate and answer any questions you have, frankly a picture isn't really worth 1000 words when we are talking about a book.  Of course we have a camera.  Pulling an item from our warehouse, taking a picture, putting the item back (which has to be recataloged per my requirements, otherwise it might be put back in the wrong place), emailing you the photo, etc., takes 15 minutes of time.  That is expensive.  If it's expensive item (over a couple hundred bucks), we'll get you one if you want one.  Many pricey items DO have actual photos and these typically will be stated in the listing.  You can always stop by our store too.

3) We use stock photos wherever possible.  This is clearly stated on the webpage and the eBay page.  It boggles my mind how many places I can put information and still have it be missed or ignored.  EBay is new for us.   No we don't list those items one at a time and go over them, that is not feasible.  They are bulk uploaded from our webpage.  The info on the page goes up there.  The water mark is struck across every single picture on the page automatically via software (something implemented by my programmer years ago to stop people from linking to our pictures to create their own web stores and crashing our site).  If a picture was taken inappropriately from a source it should not have been and we are notified it will be removed.  Again, please don't think anyone here even has the time to try and pull anything over on anyone.  We don't, we know someone will complain eventually (as sure as the day is long) which will just take more of our time to fix it.  Time that could be used to do things for example like list for sale Monte Cooks personal gaming table which sits in our store criminally unadvertised :)

In summary, I hope that those of you who enjoy NKG will continue using us for the long term and not listen to what I believe are false or misleading comments and I really do appreciate your business, but even more, having positive experiences with our customers is what drives me!  I do really personally take every criticism and complaint (I know I shouldn't but it's my baby!).  If you choose not to because you don't like us for whatever reason then I assume there is nothing I can do to change your mind then no hard feelings on this end.  If there is something I can do to win your business I've been very amenable about those things (and FYI have been told not many times over the years by the "other" guys) and will gladly listen. For those with issues or any concerns or complaints you can forward those at any time.  Just please understand we can't change everything we do per every customers request although we do try where at all feasible.  If you notice an error or questionable listing I would appreciate you emailing us so we can fix it.

Thank you for listening and allowing NKG to continue to exist.  Without you, our customers, your kind words, and faith in us I may have to get a job at a competitor, and I'd probably be fired for being too accomodating! :) ;)  

Aaron Leeder
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PS.  Anyone that ever wants to email me personally about anything may do so at nobleknightgames@aol.com  That is only checked by me.  However please note I only check that about 1x a week or two weeks as it's just a backup email.  Please do not send anything other than obviously private communication to that email, normal business stuff should be sent to our normal email address please :)


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:13 pm 
 

Nice post.


I figure you took an hour (perhaps longer) to think about it and then write that carefully worded statement.


However; I can think of something better you could have done with that valuable time.




FIX THE LISTINGS!


Or at the least tell your employees to fix them.




At the top of the first post in this thread, I supplied a link to one of your companies e-Bay listings....  


One of several I have witnessed as being iffy (at the least) in some way or another at that time.




That listing is still there and it has changed... but not in the way we would have hoped.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140683082229&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:US:1123




The same problems are still there.


THREE WEEKS LATER!


I have no doubt that you know the difference between a 1st print MM and a 2nd print.


If the guy who lists your rarest items does not know ??? well perhaps someone should teach him.... or sack him.




What did change for that listing you ask?


This one was listed at $135, but now is currently reduced (in red...  :lol: now that is ironic! ) at   $124.2




So someone DID have the time to reduce the price, but not enough time to FIX THE LISTING!?  8O




Perhaps the companies cheap item e-bay person listed this book and has no clue what a 1st print MM looks like.


Maybe someone told him/her to look for red lettering on the cover and WHAMO 1st print......




Is that book worth a 1000 words rather than bothering to use an actual picture?


Problem is that the words in the title of the listing AND in the description both state NKG is offering a 1st print, those statements do not match the picture


STILL.... THREE WEEKS LATER!


You can use 1 word or one thousand, but if the words are incorrect what freaking good are they then?


A picture DOES tell us what is there even if the words are in error!




I am not on a witch hunt here and never was, and I do not think that this thread is out of line... not even a little bit.


Far from it.


I was making observations that EV1 here knows are true... nothing made up out of the blue.


Your companies very e-Bay listings give the proof.




There are about 100 plus pages of posts about T&T, you have a chance to keep this one to 5 or 6 pages... hopefully soon to be lost in the deep dark archives never to be seen again.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:34 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:There are about 100 plus pages of posts about T&T, you have a chance to keep this one to 5 or 6 pages... hopefully soon to be lost in the deep dark archives never to be seen again.

I couldn't put it better myself.

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:39 pm 
 

The response I got from Mathew when I asked about that listing did not resolve the bigger question about the book.
(See my first post on page one).
Dear aneoth,
Hello,
Yes, this is a stock photo. We do not have a picture of the exact item available.
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"Where the Out-of-Print is Available Again"
http://www.nobleknight.com

We still do not know what print that Monster Manual is in that listing...  :?

The only reason I opened that listing was the price it was listed at seemed reasonable...
For a 1st print MM VG condition that is...
That would have been something I might have purchased, but for $135... not without pictures of the Actual Book itself.
Guess 1000 words are not enouigh for me... perhaps I am not part of the customer base NKG is looking for.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:53 pm 
 

Did it feel good to get that last Image out?


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