lokiwookie wrote:It is Elixir http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2546Picture of the same printhttp://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/6840
Mars wrote:A transaction like this on Ebay is generally considered unscrupulous because they have absolutely cheated the seller out of money. And done so while other bidders have been waiting to bid.In most cases that you mention, the seller may or may not ever sell the item (because it may not be found) and the seller only ever has one potential buyer at a time. On Ebay the situation is completely different because the unscupulous buyer has tricked the seller into something that has cheated the seller.To make an analogy to the flea market, it is as if a group of interested buyers were all at the table asking to buy the item, then one person turns around and kicks all the other potential buyers in the balls. While they are writhing in pain, he then makes an offer, grabs the item out of the sellers hand, throws some money at him and runs away.If the BIN price had been at least $200+ or if the buyer didn't know the value of the item, then I probably wouldn't think it was unscrupulous but I am doubtful this was the case.
Gnat the Beggar wrote:Since (From what I read above) there were no bids on the listing; the seller had a right to change the parameters of the listing.And for that matter the buyer had a right to ask him to do so too.
DnDGeek wrote:Okay, which one of you duped this guy into ending his original auction early... ** expired/removed eBay auction **...and putting a BIN of $35 on it...??? ** expired/removed eBay auction **With free shipping even.
misterspock wrote:Is it this person?
mbassoc2003 wrote:I see no problem with it at all.I've not managed it before, but I often get people asking if I had a BIM in mind when I list things in open auction. It's a fair game and a lot of people play it, and provided the sale happens on eBay it's all open and above board too.In fact, didn't someone (Bclarkie?) lose out on a Rahasia or Pharoah by agreeing a BIN o0nly to find someone else hit the button seconds before?
Gnat the Beggar wrote:IF there had been multiple bids on the listing then ALL those other bidders would have a case aginst both parties to this.And after talking with the seller, I seriously doubt he would have done it if there were already bids on the items.Since (From what I read above) there were no bids on the listing; the seller had a right to change the parameters of the listing.And for that matter the buyer had a right to ask him to do so too.
TheHistorian wrote:I did it.I'm not sure if wading in to this will end the discussion or pour on more gas... I'll try to just state facts and see what happens.1. I spotted RPGA2 and sent this exact message to the buyer:"Hello,Would you have interest in selling this outright?Thank you."2. There had been no bids placed when I sent that message.3. When the seller said:"$35 including postage and it's yours."I accepted.4. I did not suggest changing it to a BIN. When the seller did so, anyone could have stumbled across it and grabbed the good deal.5. I was not asked by the seller what market value was for this item.6. A Google search of Black Opal Eye gets you here on the third link (the first two are TSR Archive and rpg.net). So the first three links are all related, and the first one to give valuation is Acaeum.7. faro - the leather Realms of Sorcery was a straight BIN. I saw it right after it was posted and couldn't click the buttons fast enough! It was Graeme Davis' copy.We do help each other here. We also are often competing for the same items. Whether for a personal collection or to resell, we are trying to make purchases as inexpensively as possible - we generally applaud when someone lands a good deal. When I found a stack of H modules for a few bucks each last month, no one had a problem with it. The Inverness for a couple bucks didn't cause much consternation.There are lurkers here. Even if all the regular posting members agreed to reveal all interesting auctions, never contact sellers except with regard to item condition/completeness, etc. there would still be people lurking who'd see the information. There would still be people who have nothing to do with this site who would find items and try to jump the auction process. We would have to move all the tips into a closed forum, and strictly control access, to have a chance of preventing even some of that.A couple weeks ago, I was watching a nice 1st print MM, and this same thing happened. When it did, I cursed for a minute, and then moved on: ** expired/removed eBay auction **Why did that not cause outrage? Because no one else noticed it? Because the deal wasn't as great?Some of you feel this is an incorrect way to operate. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I feel that I did not deceive the seller, and I could not prevent him from doing a simple search to see what his items might be worth. I did not force him to sell.For those of you who feel I acted wrongly, I do understand your viewpoint. If you don't wish to have dealings with me in the future, that is fine. If you want to cross your fingers and hope the package gets damaged in the mail, that's also your right. I don't plan to comment on this further. (I may, but I don't plan to.)
Prufrock wrote:Faro - maybe I am naive.
TheMilford wrote:Yor guys are just jealous it wasn't you that scored the deal.
TheMilford wrote:And yeah, I'm jealous too.
