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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:02 pm 
 

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A Google search shows a "Hobbit Hole Sports Bar," but it's out on Veterans Memorial. Of course, the location by Nan's Games always had the best paintings, but as a kid in the early 80s we would usually go to the location in the suburbs on Westheimer. I seem to remember the menus said the chain originated in California in the 70s (which would make a lot of sense, stereotype-wise).


There's a "The Hobbit" restaurant down my way, in O.C., Maryland (on the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake for those geographically inclined--the city is on an island a few miles long and about 1/2 mile wide). It changed locations a few years back (in the same town), but I used to go there pretty frequently, and they had all kinds of Tolkien-inspired murals, other artwork, etc. Decent food, too, though I couldn't rattle off the items on the menu. I still have T-shirts, mugs, gift bags, etc. from the place. I should really go check out the new locale.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:10 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:That could indicate that they intend to make money from it. After the Silver Ann. box and Dragon Mag. CD-rom were released, they said they wouldn't be reprinting any of it again. That was when they started with the free-download PDFs. I.e.:

No intent to make money from it = free PDFs
Intent to make money, possibly including by new reprints = no free PDFs  



There hasn't been a word out of WOTC since they pulled their PDFs, which leads me to believe they aren't interested in anything but mothballing them.  There won't be any reprints of older material, and perhaps no releases of any of the PDFs anytime in the future.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:16 pm 
 

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There's a "The Hobbit" restaurant down my way, in O.C., Maryland (on the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake for those geographically inclined--the city is on an island a few miles long and about 1/2 mile wide). It changed locations a few years back (in the same town), but I used to go there pretty frequently, and they had all kinds of Tolkien-inspired murals, other artwork, etc. Decent food, too, though I couldn't rattle off the items on the menu. I still have T-shirts, mugs, gift bags, etc. from the place. I should really go check out the new locale.


There's also a Bilbo Baggins restaurant, including a Green Dragon Pub, in Alexandria, VA (across the water from DC).

http://www.bilbobaggins.net/

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:58 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:No intent to make money from it = free PDFs
Intent to make money, possibly including by new reprints = no free PDFs


We can hope, I suppose, but I'm not holding my breath.  (And Jason nicely captured my thoughts on why I didn't count C&C as a retro-clone too:  thanks for the assist Jason! :D ).

re: Hobbitish restaurants:  one of my first cons (and I don't recall which one) had an open gaming area in a place dubbed "The Hobbit" (at Widener University in PA).


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:42 pm 
 

Huh. All these "Hobbit" restaurants all over the place, probably unlicensed, & yet they apparently haven't had any problem staying in business. Yet RPGs have had to be purged of such content for decades. Funny how IP law works out in practice.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:51 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:Huh. All these "Hobbit" restaurants all over the place, probably unlicensed, & yet they apparently haven't had any problem staying in business. Yet RPGs have had to be purged of such content for decades. Funny how IP law works out in practice.


Yeah. But think about it... If you've never heard of the The Hobbit in Ocean City, MD, then Christopher Tolkien living in bumfuck France probably hasn't either. And even if he had, why the heck would he bother suing, when it would cost thousands upon thousands of Euros and net him basically nothing?


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:23 am 
 

Well here in Moseley, Birmingham (England not Alabama!) we have a Hungry Hobbit Sandwich Bar about 100 yards from Sarehole Milland a bit further from Moseley Bog both important inspirations for Middle Earth.

I myself prefer the Prince of Wales in Moseley Village itself.  I'm told Tolkein used to drink there. ;)

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:03 am 
 

Sardan wrote:I myself prefer the Prince of Wales in Moseley Village itself.  I'm told Tolkein used to drink there. ;)


Or for that matter the Eagle & Child pub, where Tolkien & Lewis would give readings. According to Wikipedia:

"Meetings were not all serious-- the Inklings amused themselves by having competitions to see who could read the famously bad prose of Amanda McKittrick Ros for the longest without laughing."

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:19 am 
 

sauromatian wrote:
Amanda McKittrick Ros


Ros wrote "Visiting Westminster Abbey," which opens:

   Holy Moses! Have a look!
   Flesh decayed in every nook!
   Some rare bits of brain lie here,
   Mortal loads of beef and beer,
   Some of whom are turned to dust,
   Every one bids lost to lust;
   Royal flesh so tinged with 'blue'
   Undergoes the same as you.


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:29 am 
 

Wonder if that was the inspiration for Monty Python's "Decomposing Composers"?

They're decomposing composers.
There's nothing much anyone can do.
You can still hear Beethoven,
But Beethoven cannot hear you.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:00 am 
 

Oh freddled gruntbuggly
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,
See if I don't!

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:51 pm 
 

I sense that counterpoints the surrealism of underlying metaphor....


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:59 pm 
 

anyone else enjoyed the poetic beauty created by Rambling Sid Rumpold?  :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:57 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:There won't be any reprints of older material


That's hard to believe, at least if you're counting all art reproductions in any context. Over the decades, TSR/WotC/Hasbro have printed dozens of titles (counting everything in the Silver Ann. box & every Italian-produced miniature book) in addition to the PDFs.

I would agree that reprints are probably done with - that's the line they've just dropped after a decade. The next approach will be different, maybe a return to art-only books or some form we haven't yet seen.

  
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