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Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:19 pm 
 

This is for Badmike for thanksgiving:  a bacon pig!!!!!

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/11/04/t-m ... &hpt=hp_c2

  


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:29 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:bandwagon book


For the casual reader, sure, it might be that. For serious research, multiple sources are useful. Each one may then be compared to the others, & some bits of info may be unique.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:16 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:This is for Badmike for thanksgiving:  a bacon pig!!!!!

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/11/04/t-m ... &hpt=hp_c2



Mmmm, made me so hungry I had to fry up a couple of BLTs just looking at the thing.

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:18 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Grandiose advertising aside, Shannon Appelcline has been researching this book for some time.  Part of her research, for instance, has been to access our interview strand with Steve Perrin of Chaosium.  

From what I have read from this author elsewhere online, her book might be a very excellent thing to own.  

I would say that the price I have seen elsewhere....$30 for an electronic book...and that was the discount price...seemed a bit steep.  Still, when the price is right, this book would be fun to read.


The preview actually read pretty smooth, and I didn't see any egregious errors in the text (You can read the first 7 pages free at Drive Thru RPG ).  I'd enjoy owning it just to see all the information in one spot. The world is still waiting, however, for a more informal and behind the scenes book full of interviews of the old school survivors.

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:26 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Designers & Dragons

Anyone have this?  I'm curious about the Judges Guild section.

ShaneG.


I picked up a copy at GenCon.  It's really a history of the game companies in the RPG industry.  It's about 440 pages long, with pretty tiny type.  I'm certainly no expert, but I found a lot of information in it I hadn't heard before, or had only heard in bits and pieces.  I've certainly not seen a compilation of this information all in one place before.  It's well-written, and the organization by company makes it easy to follow the story of each one's rise and, almost always, fall.  No, it doesn't cover the small press publishers, but I would guess most of the major companies are included, with a good bit of detail on each.  A large amount of research clearly went into it, and I felt I got my money's worth.

The section on Judge's Guild runs about six pages, from the founding by Bob Bledsaw and Bill Owen through the material published under license through 2010, including Adventure Games Publishing.  According to the author, Bob read and commented on the chapter before his death.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:42 am 
 

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I picked up a copy at GenCon.  It's really a history of the game companies in the RPG industry.  It's about 440 pages long, with pretty tiny type.  I'm certainly no expert, but I found a lot of information in it I hadn't heard before, or had only heard in bits and pieces.  I've certainly not seen a compilation of this information all in one place before.  It's well-written, and the organization by company makes it easy to follow the story of each one's rise and, almost always, fall.  No, it doesn't cover the small press publishers, but I would guess most of the major companies are included, with a good bit of detail on each.  A large amount of research clearly went into it, and I felt I got my money's worth.

The section on Judge's Guild runs about six pages, from the founding by Bob Bledsaw and Bill Owen through the material published under license through 2010, including Adventure Games Publishing.  According to the author, Bob read and commented on the chapter before his death.


Thanks for posting that.  Couple companies I'd like to read the chapters on, but not something I'd pay that much for.

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:44 am 
 

So anyone a Portal Master? :wink:
Got me and my wife hooked.

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:57 am 
 

Yeah, I got yer Portal Master right here, bub.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:17 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:Yeah, I got yer Portal Master right here, bub.


Are you Kaos? :)

Oh and funny thing about the game..they pronounce it 'Dro' for Drow.

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:24 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Are you Kaos?


A few years ago I would have been able to answer Spyro-related questions, but now my son has outgrown them & is more into those creepy 1st-person-shooter urban adventure games. Oh for the days when villains were muppet-esque monsters rather than skeezy drug dealers.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:47 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Designers & Dragons

Anyone have this?  I'm curious about the Judges Guild section.

ShaneG.


Aldarron (Dragons at Dawn) points out some factual errors in the preview sample in this blog post:
http://boggswood.blogspot.com/2011/11/d ... -4995.html

Here's Shannon Appelcline's web page:
http://www.erzo.org/shannon/gaming/

I've come across their well-done magazine indices (credited to "Shannon Appel") in the past, for Different Worlds etc.
http://www.erzo.org/shannon/gaming/indices/


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:01 pm 
 

It doesn't really matter what the author writes about Arneson and Gygax. They're both dead, so the author can make up as much BS about them and the history of D&D as they like. No-one is gonna sue, and it's not like they give a sh't either. This is just a money grabbing book written by an author with little knowledge or expertise, who's so far up their own arse, they're having trouble differentiating the real world from the contents of their own colon.

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:14 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:It doesn't really matter what the author writes about Arneson and Gygax. They're both dead, so the author can make up as much BS about them and the history of D&D as they like. No-one is gonna sue, and it's not like they give a sh't either. This is just a money grabbing book written by an author with little knowledge or expertise, who's so far up their own arse, they're having trouble differentiating the real world from the contents of their own colon.


And, Ian, you know all of this exactly how?  Have you read the book?  Do you know the author?


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:59 pm 
 

Actually, the author has been posting game company info for some time.  She's a pretty good source on game history and she is a good writer.  Her research has been going on for some years.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:36 pm 
 

Zenopus wrote:Aldarron (Dragons at Dawn) points out some factual errors in the preview sample in this blog post:
http://boggswood.blogspot.com/2011/11/d ... -4995.html

Thanks for the smile - a deliciously ironic blog post from first to last in the over-representation of poorly documented histories as cast-iron facts without adequate provisos. Probably better not to pull people up for misspelling when repeatedly venturing out by Khalibruhn (sic) oneself, nor complain virulently "In fact, one of the worst offenses of this supposed history book is that there are no citations at all, just a few colorful quotes here and there" when failing to respond in any manner, as far as I can recall, to the "a more 'honest' presentation of such matters in an academic manner with references to sources would have resulted in a more 'useful' end product for players wishing to attempt to delve into the history of roleplaying" critique of their own work.

I do know Shannon was actively reworking/clarifying/improving some of the texts for their original online series, including the unpublished Games Workshop article, from when I was in touch with them back in mid-2007, so it would be interesting to find out how the final product reads. Grendelwulf's "Hey, if it's printed, it becomes real" is pretty much the same "If it's in print, it's gospel" warning I'd repeated to Shannon back then... when utilizing /other/ sources. Should go without saying, though. :)

mbassoc2003 wrote:... maybe I'm biased because I don't like seeing BS in print. I prefer factual information without fluff and self-aggrandisement.

You really don't want to be reading Tresca's first question on http://www.examiner.com/rpg-in-national ... rs-dragons in that case, Ian. Mutual back-patting among "historians" - or "cultural archaeologists", as the case may be - is truly a thing to behold. ;)


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:03 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Actually, the author has been posting game company info for some time.  She's a pretty good source on game history and she is a good writer.  Her research has been going on for some years.


Did "she" also have a recent sex change?  Looks like a dude in the photos.  :lol:


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:30 pm 
 

faro wrote:Mutual back-patting among "historians" - or "cultural archaeologists", as the case may be - is truly a thing to behold. ;)


Ugh.

I think my "favorite" part is the second question where the interviewer refers to his own published book, with a helpful link to the Amazon page.   :roll:


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:06 am 
 

Bracton wrote:Ugh.

I think my "favorite" part is the second question where the interviewer refers to his own published book, with a helpful link to the Amazon page.   :roll:

Yass... got a smile that did! Friends will be friends. :)

Even more helpful (for saving money?) than that self-referential plug is the extensive preview on Google Books of Tresca's work. Lots of stuff in there I never knew about - like Chainmail being published in 1968 (that was a quick conversion from the SoA ruleset!), D&D appearing at EasterCon in 1973 (no idea where that came from), etc. ;)
Well, if adding sources/references doesn't improve "quality", at least those /should/ help to point out where the "errors" came from...


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