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Post Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:52 pm 
 

It looks like lumberjacques still has some of these pristine Tsojconth's left.  Here's your chance to get one!


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:19 pm 
 

Seller has a couple of really nice DM screens. Two 1st prints and a 3rd. The 3rd print is dinged up a bit.


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 Dungeon Master Screen - 1979 - 3rd Print - 2 and 4 Panel - TSR 9024
 
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What is this game? A boardgame by EGG jr with lizardman logo?!? Is this somehow related with the 'new TSR'?


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:58 am 
 

Something you don't see too often...


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:32 am 
 

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What is this game? A boardgame by EGG jr with lizardman logo?!? Is this somehow related with the 'new TSR'?


Yes it's Justin LaNasa's TSR. a.k.a. 'New TSR' tsrmuseum.com/online-store/ols/products ... order-here

  

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:34 pm 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Something you don't see too often...


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And it sold!  The powerful reach of the Acaeum?

  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:34 pm 
 

I'm curious why this gets no love... It's rare enough to warrant some so what gives?


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:52 pm 
 

Ghost Tower #55 up for sale by NK for $13K:  Ghost Tower of Inverness, The (Limited Edition Collector's Edition) - AD&D 1st - Noble Knight Games

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm 
 

grodog wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Ghost Tower #55 up for sale by NK for $13K:  https://www.nobleknight.com/P/2147387162/Ghost-Tower-of-Inverness-The-Limited-Edition-Collectors-Edition?_ga=2.189024235.1524569875.1672940782-790174685.1651067703

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They also have a 1st print Wood Grain Box set in primo shape for $28k

  


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:42 pm 
 

grodog wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Ghost Tower #55 up for sale by NK for $13K:  https://www.nobleknight.com/P/2147387162/Ghost-Tower-of-Inverness-The-Limited-Edition-Collectors-Edition?_ga=2.189024235.1524569875.1672940782-790174685.1651067703

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Compare that to the $2,532 value for a mint condition in Feb 2022 in the Acaeum price list... Both the list and the NK prices are off here.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:14 pm 
 

gregory wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Compare that to the $2,532 value for a mint condition in Feb 2022 in the Acaeum price list... Both the list and the NK prices are off here.

You can't compare a BIN / fixed price listing to The Acaeum valuations.  A BIN / fixed price is based on what the seller wants to sell it for, not necessarily what the market value is.

The Acaeum valuations are based on verified auction sales, weighted by condition, SW, provenance, and age of the sale (most recent sales are most heavily weighted).  The $2,532 is the valuation for a NM copy, based on past sales and these factors.

Here's the data behind the scenes:

Year        Price
2003        $1,000.00
2004        $1,650.00
2005        $1,338.63
2007        $1,875.00
2008        $1,328.55
2011        $809.99
2016        $1,900.00
2016        $4,645.00
2017        $3,025.00
2018        $5,400.00
2022        $9,000.00

The latest one was a special item, thus the reason it sold for a higher amount.  This is factored into the "standard version" valuation.

I have no doubt that, were one of these to come up for auction today, it would sell for a considerable amount.  The Acaeum valuations only reflect what past auction sales represent.  Until there are more recent sales, the valuations will not increase.  The unfortunate circumstance with this particular item is that there have not been many recordable sales in recent years.  Some of the other rare items have had sales recently, and their valuations have jumped accordingly.


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:19 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:You can't compare a BIN / fixed price listing to The Acaeum valuations.  A BIN / fixed price is based on what the seller wants to sell it for, not necessarily what the market value is.

The Acaeum valuations are based on verified auction sales, weighted by condition, SW, provenance, and age of the sale (most recent sales are most heavily weighted).  The $2,532 is the valuation for a NM copy, based on past sales and these factors.

Here's the data behind the scenes:

Year        Price
2003        $1,000.00
2004        $1,650.00
2005        $1,338.63
2007        $1,875.00
2008        $1,328.55
2011        $809.99
2016        $1,900.00
2016        $4,645.00
2017        $3,025.00
2018        $5,400.00
2022        $9,000.00

The three latest ones were special items, thus the reason they sold for higher amounts.  This is factored into the "standard version" valuation.

I have no doubt that, were one of these to come up for auction today, it would sell for a considerable amount.  The Acaeum valuations only reflect what past auction sales represent.  Until there are more recent sales, the valuations will not increase.  The unfortunate circumstance with this particular item is that there have not been many recordable sales in recent years.  Some of the other rare items have had sales recently, and their valuations have jumped accordingly.



Wasn’t there a 3rd print that sold at auction on EBay in December that went for over $12,000?  I was following it for a final price but as I wasn’t a buyer not sure if it was from a special personality or was just a very nice 3rd print.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:51 pm 
 

I made a revision to my previous post in regard to the number of special ones that have sold recently.  Only the latest one was actually special, as it had Allen Hammock's signature.  The other two were classified under the unnumbered copies, not the limited copies, so they weren't listed.

In regard to a copy of Ghost Tower that sold for around $12K in December, there's no record of it recorded, and I wasn't able to find any auctions that have ended recently for one of these. other than those already listed.  Are you thinking of the 3rd print brown box that sold?

  


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:You can't compare a BIN / fixed price listing to The Acaeum valuations.  A BIN / fixed price is based on what the seller wants to sell it for, not necessarily what the market value is.

The Acaeum valuations are based on verified auction sales, weighted by condition, SW, provenance, and age of the sale (most recent sales are most heavily weighted).  The $2,532 is the valuation for a NM copy, based on past sales and these factors.

Here's the data behind the scenes:

Year        Price
2003        $1,000.00
2004        $1,650.00
2005        $1,338.63
2007        $1,875.00
2008        $1,328.55
2011        $809.99
2016        $1,900.00
2016        $4,645.00
2017        $3,025.00
2018        $5,400.00
2022        $9,000.00

The latest one was a special item, thus the reason it sold for a higher amount.  This is factored into the "standard version" valuation.

I have no doubt that, were one of these to come up for auction today, it would sell for a considerable amount.  The Acaeum valuations only reflect what past auction sales represent.  Until there are more recent sales, the valuations will not increase.  The unfortunate circumstance with this particular item is that there have not been many recordable sales in recent years.  Some of the other rare items have had sales recently, and their valuations have jumped accordingly.


Thanks for the context. So the methodology includes prices for the past 20 years, all weighted equally?
The average of all the prices above being 2,900, I assume that is the case and you even discounted the last sale as mentioned.

As someone who deals with pricing and valuation regularly, I am surprised by that approach. I would think the last 5 sales or so would be weighted much higher.

All that said, I know well how everyone will have their own opinion, and do not want to irritate the experts getting the estimates done!

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:06 pm 
 

The sale prices are not weighted equally based on age.  Newer sales are weighted more heavily than old.  It's explained here:

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That article was written many years ago, and I cannot say if it's 100% accurate today, but at least you have some idea of the formulas behind the valuations.

We often see complaints/comments regarding the valuations.  As has been said a few times before, the valuations provide estimated values for these collectibles, not actual appraisals or spot prices.  The valuations are meant to provide a guide for what the items might be worth for a given condition.  The sample size is a big factor, as well as when the sale occurred.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:08 am 
 

My 2 cents: i have never analyzed the methodology but now you are discussing it, i have a proposal. Instead of a single value which embeds calculations that someone could find arguable, it could be better if our tables show the historical series per year and, for each year, the average value and the nr of sales... with this data set everyone can build his own method to define the value of a current item.


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:44 am 
 

dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:The sale prices are not weighted equally based on age.  Newer sales are weighted more heavily than old.  It's explained here:

Formulas

That article was written many years ago, and I cannot say if it's 100% accurate today, but at least you have some idea of the formulas behind the valuations.

We often see complaints/comments regarding the valuations.  As has been said a few times before, the valuations provide estimated values for these collectibles, not actual appraisals or spot prices.  The valuations are meant to provide a guide for what the items might be worth for a given condition.  The sample size is a big factor, as well as when the sale occurred.


Thanks for pointing me to this page as I had not seen it previously. I do use the price list actively and have found that I need to multiply those prices by 2 to 3 to get close to actual current prices on eBay,. I will not comment further on the method as I am not the one getting the work done and I appreciate having it, and can complete my own calibrations.

  
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