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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:23 am 
 

1. Offer something less speedy than priority mail. Your shipping+handling is > $7 and that's a lot in today's day and age.


Hehehehe. So they can get it, what, media mail, in 6 weeks and smack you in DSR for slow shipping? Either way, you're prison-loved. And... $7 shipping? Holy manure I wish I could get that cheap sometimes! Most people charge double or triple that! I love the idiocy.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:35 am 
 

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Hehehehe. So they can get it, what, media mail, in 6 weeks and smack you in DSR for slow shipping? Either way, you're prison-loved. And... $7 shipping? Holy manure I wish I could get that cheap sometimes! Most people charge double or triple that! I love the idiocy.


Absolutely.   Thus my conclusion that this moron has never, ever sold anything on Ebay before.  I particularly love the phrase, "In this day and age", like somehow the USPS has been reducing costs over the last several years, not increasing them.  :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:41 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
Thanks man I'll work on Doug about the hotmail thing...it's keeping a lot of people out. I don't know if it's a specific issue or just a preference at this point.

I guess the best advice is that if you don't like it or aren't interested, just ignore it....and it won't bother you either.

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Ok guys;

Hotmail, Gmail and Yahoo accounts are now enabled as buyers. That's the nice thing about not being a corporate behemoth, you can change things at a whim.  Who knows, Doug may give away free margaritas and exotic dancers if we ask him nice enough... :D

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:43 am 
 

oh and I just realized I missed one of the best ones posted from the ChannelAdvisor in my post above:

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You said:

Other GOOD sellers will NOT step in -- don't you people read the Answer Center, or the news, or watch CNN, AuctionBytes, etc.? Ebay is LOSING good sellers rapidly now, due to its recent feedback policy change (to be implemented in May), and will soon be left with mainly the scamming sellers. And ebay will DESERVE them, since clearly ebay executives don't care what we GOOD sellers think!

ebay REALLY needs to listen to its customers, us sellers -- otherwise, the good news is that other auction sites will step in (and have already begun to, in record numbers!) to fill the gap left by its absence.  


Yes we read these all the time. There are over 2m sellers on eBay and if 1000 leave due to DSRs, that won't really matter.

For example, the big boycott you read about has had zero impact.




I wonder if Ebay really likes this third party telling thier customers both directly and indirectly to leave. On top of that, the arrogance of this post and presuming as a third party that the boycott didn't work is enough to make me vomit. The boycott itself was more of a headline getter, I don't think anyone expected Ebay to close its doors as a result of it. No one.  The fact remains is that the boycott generated a ton of publicity and the real effects of it probably won't be known for a little while now over the next 3 to 6 months or so.  The key to the boycott was and is getting people to leave Ebay over the long term, not doing sugnificant damage to them over a 7 day period which frankly is impossible. I wonder if this moron realizes that he is helping the boycott by telling people that if they don't like the way things are going to go some place else?  Based on the other BS he spewed all over the place its not likely. :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:48 am 
 

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Okay, aside for the fact that the "Channeladvisor" running the workshop clearly contradicts himself a multitude of times throughout this "workshop", including a few where he does within the same answer, seriuously is the guy for real?  Set up a MF***ing  Call Center????   F**king Ebay doesn't even have a call center!!!  Also, a translation service???? A translation Service??? Is he really serious???  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

On top of that, it's also completely 100% obvious that this guy has never, ever sold a single thing on Ebay before. EVER.  As I said above what a joke. :roll:


Thanks for that overview BC....I couldn't stop laughing, especially the one where he tells the guy "best of luck in your next selling venture!"  I honestly expected him to add "Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out" or something equally witty. un-frikken-believable.

If you look up the definition of "tool" in the dictionary I would bet money Scott Wingo's picture would be sitting next to it...

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:59 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:oh and I just realized I missed one of the best ones posted from the ChannelAdvisor in my post above:



I wonder if Ebay really likes this third party telling thier customers both directly and indirectly to leave. On top of that, the arrogance of this post and presuming as a third party that the boycott didn't work is enough to make me vomit. The boycott itself was more of a headline getter, I don't think anyone expected Ebay to close its doors as a result of it. No one.  The fact remains is that the boycott generated a ton of publicity and the real effects of it probably won't be known for a little while now over the next 3 to 6 months or so.  The key to the boycott was and is getting people to leave Ebay over the long term, not doing sugnificant damage to them over a 7 day period which frankly is impossible. I wonder if this moron realizes that he is helping the boycott by telling people that if they don't like the way things are going to go some place else?  Based on the other BS he spewed all over the place its not likely. :roll:


The corporate policy from the news reports I've read is to portray the "boycotters" as a small minority of malcontents that Ebay would be better off without anyway.  The truth is I think most are just mom and pop sellers who are worried that their small stream of revenue from selling baby clothes or DVDs on ebay will be regulated out of existence.  Great idea, in the middle of a recession, let's cut off that slim trickle of entreprenuership that is keeping some families in grocery money for the month.  

I don't think EBay will change a thing no matter what the outcry.  The execs are going to let the new CEO sink or swim on this initiative, if sales improve in the next year they can say "See, we were right all along" or if they tank they can just boot the guy and get someone new in, blaming the entire fiasco on him and talking about a "new committment" to their "loyal customer base" or whatever.  

I swear to God, I don't now how a company could PLAN a better public relations fiasco if they tried.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

SSL is now enabled on RPG Marketplace, a self-signed certificate to start with but an official cert is on the way. I'm going to start listing from Monday if my work schedule allows. And then I'm going to use eBay to pull as much traffic into it as I can.

Anyone think Scot Whatshisface might be as disillusioned as some of the sellers so is putting the boot in in a comical way? That's the only explanation I can come up with for his shattering incompetence.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:32 pm 
 

its amazing in a real short length of time, how ebay has changed.



i remember not even that long ago, that they were promoting john smith down the street to sell his castoffs out of his attic on ebay.



ummm i kinda find it hard to believe now that anyone like that would have a chance. its not for that kind anymore, its just like a martketplace with the majority being proper dealers.



i think things are now almost on the edge of a.n.other to step in and take up all the bomb craters that ebay has left in their wake, as they have risen further up the corporate ladder away from what it was originally meant to be once upon a time.



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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:45 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:... they were promoting john smith down the street to sell his castoffs out of his attic on ebay.


That's a good point. Many of the previous advertising campaigns here in the colonies (they are probably different in the motherland) have been semi-humorous portrayals of "everyday folks" getting rid of or buying unique items on eBay. And that is definitely how eBay got started, back in the days before BINs, before PayPal, and before the Powerseller concept.



But I don't see how they could do anything similar now and try to keep a straight face. The trends of the past few years have reached a critical mass that has put enormous pressure on "the little guy." And now eBay is all but saying, "hey, regular person, you need to take your shit and go someplace else." I mean, it's just one slap in the face after another ... at some point, I half-expect some mid-level eBay executive to slip up and say, on the record, "I wish all those small fish would eff off out of here."



Thankfully, our little niche should remain viable indefinitely. It doesn't help to be a big, corporate seller when you're selling 30-year-old gaming items. You still need to know the field and to provide a personal level of service (unless you're Cougar, of course). I'm sure White Plumes and Demonweb Pits will always be sold on eBay, but it's a shame how hard they keep making it for the sellers to maybe put a few dollars in their pockets.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:30 pm 
 

This is going to seriously date me, but...

Do you remember those very old SNL skits where Lily Tomlin plays the part of an AT&T operator and the mock tag line for AT&T is...

"We're the phone company, we don't care, because we don't have to."

It was very accurate to how it felt to deal with the phone company back then before they broke it up.

Ebay feels very much like this, especially this guy's responses. It's disgusting. I'm going to start looking to other avenues to fill my collection and use Ebay as a last resort.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:59 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:How many people from here are boycotting?


That would be me. I decided to buy a few things recently but I haven't listed anything in my store for at least 2 months.

Anyone having success on Amazon? The setup for a store is provided by Amazon and the fees are reasonable. $60 for an unlimited number of storefronts + 7% of the item price if I remember correctly.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:02 am 
 

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I didn't know whether to laugh or cry after I finished the 5 or so pages. If the new CEO is relying on these sorts of minions to spread the word...Jeez.  $27 a share might seem like a mountain of money for Ebay if this keeps up...it could be half that by summer.  I also enjoyed the way Ebay has not one solid answer to the feedback question except to restate policy, or flat out tell the seller to beg for five stars.
 It's very, very obvious from this and other recent items I've read that Ebay is extremely disinterested in catering in any way to the smaller seller and would like them to exit very quickly, stage left, and take their crap with them......

Mike B.


Frankly I was appalled. The responses from the CA's were unbelievable.

The one or two items I've purchased from a "Powersller" have been more of a pain in the rear than buying from someone on the Acaeum or a Mom & Pop shop. If eBay moves toward a PS only corporate type website I'll move my inventory somewhere else.

I think in the long run eBay will lose sellers, gain buyers, and not have the wide product variety that they have today. Tons of buyers & a very few select sellers? Hmm. The only reason I see eBay gaining buyers? Let's face it, they hold all the cards right now. But maybe the buyers will follow the sellers and go somewhere else. I need a crystal ball.
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:05 am 
 

beasterbrook wrote:the casual seller is not going to be put out, it justs adds up to a fee increase thats all, they will never get any sort of discount on their fees, the small power sellers I really don't see as a problem as well.. from memory we are talking about a 2% increase in shops (10% to 12%) which if you sell $1000 per month is a $20 increase... I understand auctions will be higher but still we aren't talking big $$ are we? What it will be putting preasure on is those that depend on the extra $$ to get by...

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After eBay & Paypal fees, they're taking about 20% of the cut depending on total price. I'd say that is enough to motivate some to look elsewhere.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:57 pm 
 

This guy on one of the financial boards online made a lot of sense.  I don't entirely agree with his solutions, but his conspiracy theory sounds pretty intriguing:

We're IDIOTS.
No apologies, this is a rant. And more than a little fun.
The answer has been clear for some time.
Short of the Federal government, there isn't another entity with Ebay's capacity to put millions of families on the unemployment line.

And it's obvious from the lying and dissembling that Ebay management is not ethically equipped to wield such power in the best interests of Ebay customers, least of all the American economy.
But it's nuts to replace the liars at Ebay with liars from Washington D.C.
So Ebay should be legally forced to break up into several smaller entities, thereby reducing the proportion of the economy that can be damaged by the decisions of a single, potentially corrupt individual.
As the internet marketplace grows, this will become mandatory. It cannot continue to be controlled by a single person, whether Barbie Meg or her hand picked Ken John Donahoe.
It's not a matter of "if." It's a matter of when. Ebay knows it, has been expecting it since rolling out Ebay Motors.
Sellers are hurting themselves by brandishing fantasy swords about other selling venues. Ebay knows the truth. The only near competitor is Amazon and it is not yet viable for antiques or boatloads of other items.
That's why Donahoe is smirking. Angry sellers are running about doing his work for him, spreading the false illusion that there are other viable alternatives to Ebay.
There are none.
The elephant has to be brought out of the corner, folks. It's too frippin big to keep ignoring. Instead, we need to put a hat on his head and parade him through every congressional office.
Either we do it now or one fine day that elephant is going to walk into the middle of every Main street in America and leave the largest pile of economic crap the world has seen since....well since the mortgage debacle. Except no one in Washington will be jumping up to bail out a few million Ebay sellers.
Here's the truth about some of those so-called alternatives. I invite others who have actual experience to step forward and refute or enhance this (Pulleeeze, Shareholders at CarpetbaggerAuctionUSA, do not chime in here, or may your souls rot in hell, for we are in desperate need of input only from people with actual, genuine experience; we have plenty enough lying opportunists at Ebay, thank you very much.)

Craigs List is good for a limited number of items and useless for many/most of America's small towns. (You might have to drop the price of even a signed original Tiffany Dragonfly shade to $100 to find a buyer willing to travel 12 hours to get it. Exaggeration. A little.)
In 6 months with 200 low priced items that were selling strongly on Ebay, I sold ZERO on Ebid. ZERO
With 100 items on ioffer I sold zero. ZERO.
My friends gave up on Ecrater months ago.
On Esty, if you buy my pot holder I'll buy your candle and we'll each make a dime, but it will be a really meaningful experience.
Ruby Lane is a good performer for antiques, but useless for used musical instruments.
Build your own website? - Bring a big purse. Creating the site can be a do-it-yourself project, but getting traffic to the site is a costly and/or time consuming proposition. I speak from personal, on-going, frustrating experience.
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What do these "alternatives" have in common? They're a competitor to Ebay like our tin cans were a competitor to Ma Bell.
The test as to whether a company is imposing monopolistic restraints on trade is not determined by whether there are ANY competitors. It is determined by whether there is the capacity for a VIABLE competitor to engage in trade and, if not, the economic consequences thereof.
Why do you suppose Ebay owns a share of Craigs List? Diversifying their investment portfolio? In a pigs eye. It's a chump change investment in growing the competition in hopes Craig will sprout up into a big strong boy and keep anyone from planting the big "M" label where it belongs, on Ebay, the biggest, most powerful monopoly the world has ever known.
While this years crop of angry Ebay sellers are figuring out that the alternatives are not viable, more time will pass. Ebay will become more independent, more belligerent, more unreasonable and more aggressive.
Remember, you heard this here: Ebay's next gambit will be to block all direct email correspondence between sellers and buyers. Communication will only be allowed through MyEbay. They will introduce this change with much mumbo jumbo about security and protection, but the real reason will be to stop the communication between buyer and seller that might lead to a dollar trading hands that Ebay doesn't get a piece of.
Can't have anyone selling anything that Ebay doesn't get a piece of -- too DANGEROUS! Like Bidpay and Western Union payments were too DANGEROUS! The only safe way to pay is with Paypal, every other method is too DANGEROUS! Ebay plays the Danger Card like Rudy at Ground Zero. But Rudy is entitled. Donahoe is just a ho.
And they'll eliminate MePages, with the explanation that they're an unnecessary duplication of MyWorld. The press will not know or care about the truth, which is that MyWorld doesn't allow html -- which means no more links to other websites -- where someone might make a nickel that Ebay doesn't get a piece of.
Feeling suffocated? Like a rat trapped in a maze? You should. We cannot boycott our way out of this. Well we could, but too many sellers think that if they don't rock the boat, it can't tip over.
The answer is government intervention. I hate government more than the average bear, but I've thought long and hard about this for several years and am convinced it is the only answer. Ebay has to be broken up into smaller units and for that to happen, our regulators need to understand this one simple truth:
Ebay has the world by the short hairs.
Yup, said what I meant: the WORLD.
Ebay's stranglehold isn't just on a humorous collection of unsophisticated ma and pa Jesus sandwich sellers. That flea market image Meg and Donahoe so disdain? Just more shuckin and jivin by the smoke screen twins. While the media was inhaling, a metamorphosis took place at Ebay.
Ebay sellers are well aware of this, but for those less involved, if you want to see the real picture, search Ebay for forklifts, xray, Bobcat, tractor, bus and house.
What Ebay is doing today to the sellers who helped build the company, it will be doing in the future to every seller, regardless of size or imagined inoculation. Because they can. Because there is no one, except us, maybe, to stop them.
Here's one for the conservatives: what's to prevent Ebay from moving the platform out of the U.S. and away from U.S. trade laws altogether? Sound like science fiction? Well just 25 years ago sending the image of a single 8.5 x 11 page across the country required rolling it around a cylinder, hooking it up to a telephone and spinning it for 8 minutes. Just 20 years ago the only way to find Star Wars figures was to scour classified ads in toy magazines and travel to flea markets. Just 10 years ago photos were RARE on Ebay. So don't even talk to me about "improbable" changes. Quit guffawing and ask yourself: has there ever before been an international company as potentially portable and powerful as Ebay?
The good news is that Paypal funding from South Africa or Mars probably wouldn't take much longer.
I propose that instead of swaggering about fantasy Ebay alternatives, we paste our posts into a Wordpad file, hit the print button, grab an envelope and send it off to:
Federal Trade Commission
Consumer Response Center
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20580
While you're at it, print 2 or 10 copies. This site makes it easy to find the names and addresses of your congressional representatives: https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

And to amuse ourselves in the meanwhile, lets talk about the best way to break up Ebay.
I'd like to see several strong Ebay segments spun out as separate companies, each with a solid seller and customer base as a foundation on which to build, each with the freedom to compete with one another, in no way bound by its starting base, so that within a very few years we would have 4-5 separate Ebays, each with an focus on its foundation but also selling a full range of other products.
Here's my suggestions for the breakout. Note that there's one each for Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Ken (don't know Ken who? You lose, back to the top you go :) How would you change them?
Antiques and collectibles
Vehicles
Business & Farm Equipment
Clothing & Housewares


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:39 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I don't entirely agree with his solutions


I don't either, & I'm a Communist. The guy's been spending way to much time making bids on ebay if he thinks it's the whole world. Just get up & step away from the screen, dude, go play some volleyball or something, or maybe even hold a real live old-fashioned garage sale.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:52 pm 
 

Serious? A communist from Texas? I think I read about you once!

I don't know, it makes some sense. Why would eBay be kicking perfectly good sellers into touch so they can bring themselves more in line with, say, Amazon?

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:19 pm 
 

Ebay just posted this online this morning.

Protecting buyer's identities as they bid on all auction-style listings
To protect the Community from this growing safety threat, we have made the decision to mask User IDs for bidders on all auction-style listings on eBay.com and Motors. This change will go into effect later this week. Even with all this history and need, we understand that masking User IDs on all auction-style listings is a significant change, and it this is not a step we are taking lightly. However, in light of today's environment - and the damage fake email offers pose to our members and to overall buyer trust in the marketplace -- it's imperative we act now to make this change.


Looks like all bidder identities will be anonymous starting this week some time.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:27 pm 
 

Like I said - all designed to make sure sales stay on eBay. Okay, fair enough by why pretend? They've got to have known how pissed many sellers would be with the recent fee hikes and removal of seller protection masqueraded as customer service improvements. This is a step to nullify any potential blow-back via off-site trades IMO. Goes without saying it has nothing to do with the buyer's privacy, that much we can say for sure. eBay couldn't give a crap about such things. That's why they have a security protocol for user data that has been breached countless times. You'd think they'd tighten up the major flaws first if they were really so concerned about their customers. More spin to be read like a cheap train-ride and dump novel.

  
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