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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:01 am 
 

dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
The next highest sale price was for a Jade Hare w/ cover for $18,600.



The woodie I am not surprised with but that Jade Hare price is  8O Didn't realise they were shrink wrapped.


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Improv wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
There is a certain logic that a large upfront bid will scare off smaller bidders.  Seen it used at housing auctions.  Most of the time just drives up the price, benefiting the seller.


Bidding early definitely benefits the seller. All a higher price does now is drive up the final sale price.


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Improv wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
The woodie I am not surprised with but that Jade Hare price is  8O Didn't realise they were shrink wrapped.


There are only a handful of known Jade Hare with Covers. I think it stands at eight, with five of those being in shrink wrap.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:12 am 
 

dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:I believe the highest recorded auction price for a D&D item was for a 1st Printing woodie that sold for $22,100.

There was another 1st printing woodie that sold for $20,100.

The next highest sale price was for a Jade Hare w/ cover for $18,600.

This one-of-a-kind manuscript will likely exceed these prices.  It should be unique.  The only one that exists.


I do expect a very high final price. Full disclosure though, it appears to be a photocopy of the original manuscript.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:54 am 
 

stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
There are only a handful of known Jade Hare with Covers. I think it stands at eight, with five of those being in shrink wrap.


Missed out on the shrink :-)


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:59 am 
 

stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Full disclosure though, it appears to be a photocopy of the original manuscript.


You're right, this has a wavy print pattern on each page.

The quality of the copy looks to be period appropriate (bad), and there are a few plausible explanations as to why Jim Ward would have a copy of the manuscript and not the original manuscript, but in my view the listing should be up front about offering an explanation.


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stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
I do expect a very high final price. Full disclosure though, it appears to be a photocopy of the original manuscript.


James mentions that he typed on 750 photocopied form sheets supplied by TSR.  So you bidding Bill?


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Mordenkainen wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
You're right, this has a wavy print pattern on each page.

The quality of the copy looks to be period appropriate (bad), and there are a few plausible explanations as to why Jim Ward would have a copy of the manuscript and not the original manuscript, but in my view the listing should be up front about offering an explanation.


Have a look at the image with James sig ... his explanation appears to cover this. Though the edits look photocopied?


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Improv wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
James mentions that he typed on 750 photocopied form sheets supplied by TSR.  


I'm still having a hard time with this - what was on the copied page before it was typed on?

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:02 am 
 

stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:...Full disclosure though, it appears to be a photocopy of the original manuscript.


When viewing the images the first time I was thinking to myself why were the edits and corrections done with a black pen vs a colored one.  

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:07 am 
 

I think if someone could contact Jim and he confirmed this is the actual document and not a photocopy then that would be a good move for everyone


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:45 pm 
 

I sent a message to the seller to clarify Jim's comments, as they are not clear.

I can see where this might be a photocopy of the original, with edits perhaps, but it's not clear from the information provided.  It sure implies that it's the original manuscript.  We will see.  The pages appears to be 750 copies of a TSR standardized template that Jim then filled in the details?

A couple of additional photos of examples would help for something this rare.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:43 pm 
 

Good Afternoon

I am James M. Ward, the designer of the DEITIES & DEMIGODS product. I perfectly understand why there would be questions. Let me try to clear the issues.

I started this project before computer print outs and the internet. TSR wanted me to use a specific format that Gary Gygax and I set up. We typed that up and I was given 750 photocopied pages with the format on that. I then put one of the pages in my typewriter and typed away on each listing.

My honor is very important to me and I would never try to trick any one into buying a photocopied manuscript. Let me assure all of you that what is being sold on ebay is the real deal and the only original manuscript.

Feel free to email me at sirjmw@aol and I will answer any questions any one else might have.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:09 pm 
 

That clears a few things up then. (assuming that is James, which I assume is true).

I think, this'll end up going for 30-40k. I can see someone pay the price of a good new car for a book which is pretty important in the scene.

I'm surprised more of this type of thing hasn't popped up in the collectibles rally so far. I suppose people attached to original versions of X/Y/Z just aren't price senstive or pieces are in museums?

Things like manuscripts for 2nd edition modules/books or slightly more common which might go for mid-to-high 4 figures these days.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:41 pm 
 

It's Jim.  He's responding to the inquiries to clear up any confusion, and he's done that.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:28 pm 
 

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I'd bet 20:1 that it was Jean Wells who made the photocopies for Jim to use.
That's exactly the type of things she did around the office circa 1980 plus-or-minus.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:03 am 
 

There are 258 people watching the auction.  I don't believe I have ever seen that before...

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Sir Kill Alot wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:There are 258 people watching the auction.  I don't believe I have ever seen that before...

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