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Post Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 10:16 pm 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:I'm curious, how big does the census typically need to be in order to see a pricing structure emerge?  


There could be a possibility the number of really nice items may be smaller than anyone can imagine.  

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I am guessing fairly consistent prices in DnD will take a few more years to materialize.

Comics have had at least two booms and busts in the last 30 years. The busts ended higher than the previous lull though. Pokemon had a 15 year slow climb until "Pokemon Go" came out in 2016. Things got nuts. Then 2020 happened. Crazy Go Nuts University. There are a lot more fads than long term collectables. DnD's 50 years tells me its not a fad. Which leads to the second question.

I bet there will more than ten thousand engaged collectors in the next few years. There arent going to be ten thousand of any particular module in a 6.0-7.0+ range - graded or otherwise.

  


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Post Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 11:18 pm 
 

There cannot be many of these waiting to be graded.


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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 5:38 am 
 

Is that how much a dragon #1 sells for now?


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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 6:31 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Is that how much a dragon #1 sells for now?


The slabs bring in some interesting auction participants.  Whether it was a legit sale or not is anybody’s guess, but I’d assume there’s a good chance that anybody willing to spend that kind of money on a D&D collectible is on this site.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 6:45 am 
 

The slabs?

Please explain. Have been away from this site quite a good while, so not up on some of the jargon / things going on.

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 6:46 am 
 

Is it something to do with that grading thing that it is sealed in?


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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 8:13 am 
 

Hi! Yes, grading something is considered slabbing, or slabbed etc...

CGC started grading modules a couple of years ago. They didnt really announce it early. There were only four items on ebay from one seller. I immediately sent in an order. and it took over six months to get them back. CGC was really busy going back to 2020. Turn around times are much better now.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 9:23 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Is it something to do with that grading thing that it is sealed in?


There is currently no baby steps with regards to price appreciation…it’s 2k yesterday, 10k today..,

Wait till you start seeing ‘keys’ come up for sale like I6 - First appearance of Strahd von Zarovich…

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 1:12 pm 
 

I guess you won't be playing any of them then!

Seems a shame somehow.

I6 is an awesome adventure. Have run that many times over the last 35 or so years....

But hey, i mostly had stuff to use it, rather than it being sealed in a vault...to each their own

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 2:59 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Is that how much a dragon #1 sells for now?

The sale price on this Dragon Magazine was actually $8,000.  That's still a very high price compared to prior sales, which are typically 20-30% of that price.  As others have mentioned, this is due to the condition it is in and the fact that it has been professionally graded/certified and sealed.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 4:30 pm 
 

Thanks DB...much appreciated.

Prices sure have changed in the last 10 years (last i kept track of things)

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 8:45 pm 
 

Philflound wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:
I'm unsure as to your statement. I can answer the question. Not sure what you mean by "Youtube basically only returns videos for how to crack open case" unless you are meaning when you do a search.

Some people crack out the book because they don't like the grade. They may get someone to press the book or do it themselves instead of having CGC press the book. They take their chances with that. If their presser
screws up the book or does a bad press job, it can possibly lower the grade. If we press it, it is done right where there is no rippling and bends are removed.

Some people switch labels and resubmit it. They think because the label is included with the comic that we will automatically give the returned book at least the grade "it was in". This is not the case as once a book comes in
raw, it is graded as if we never saw it before. So there is no guarantee on a grade if opened.

Some people don't like the grade and just send it in hoping that a different grader may "like" it better than the original finalizer. We are human, so depending on the grader, someone may deem the grade to be a little harsh and
give it a bump. This doesn't happen too often, and if so, may only jump up 1 grade. This can also backfire if some defect happened to be missed. We're talking over 20 years of grading. Early grading may have been a little more
lenient on certain defects or possibly was a bit harder. Over the years, input from the collecting community and dealers may have influenced certain defects to be graded easier or even more difficult. Tanning of covers is the one
that comes to mind.

Time still can affect a grade of a book. It is more likely that a book will downgrade if stored improperly. Extreme heat/light may affect fading or tanning. Also, NEVER put any books with staples in a fireproof safe. There is some
chemical in the safe that causes staples to rust, which can really kill a book.

As to you resubmitting your modules for cleaning and pressing. Make sure you have pressable defects. I can't tell you how many times we get books to be pressed that have stains, writing, color breaking creases, rust, etc that cannot
be removed with pressing. Bends, rippling and warping are pretty much the only defects that can increase the grade of the book. Some people press items to look nicer though the grade does not change.

Going to note the obvious, but people will still send things in regardless. Shrink-wrapped items will NOT be pressed. This is why I recommended in an earlier reply that you should send shrink-wrapped pieces in its own invoice, esepcially if
you have other pieces you want pressed.

Hope all this helps. I look forward to getting your items in my hands.

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As somebody who has been getting comics graded for 14 years with CGC and now starting to get my extensive D&D module collection graded I can say that CGC does indeed miss the boat whether intentionally or because there are bad graders but it happens. I am a professional presser(I worked for the Smithsonian for a couple years and have document conservation training as well), and have had books get 8.5 cracked them out and the same book get 9.8 without repressing it, just cracking it out and resubbing it.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 8:57 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Thanks DB...much appreciated.

Prices sure have changed in the last 10 years (last i kept track of things)

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Oh, I also should have mentioned that this was a BIN and "Make Offer" sale, so that was a huge factor in the sale price.  It almost assuredly wouldn't have sold for that much if it was a straight auction sale.  That doesn't mean that the prices won't eventually get there for auction sales, too.  They probably will, especially in this condition.

  


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Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 9:53 pm 
 

TitanCG wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:
As somebody who has been getting comics graded for 14 years with CGC and now starting to get my extensive D&D module collection graded I can say that CGC does indeed miss the boat whether intentionally or because there are bad graders but it happens. I am a professional presser(I worked for the Smithsonian for a couple years and have document conservation training as well), and have had books get 8.5 cracked them out and the same book get 9.8 without repressing it, just cracking it out and resubbing it.


Since we're human, there are times when things will get missed. There are always chances a resubmission will get a different grade. Sometimes that may be in the customer's favor, other times the other way. If we crack it out and have the original label, any defects associated with that label will be tied in. If it goes to pressing, the pressable defects will be removed from the defect list. If you crack it out yourself and press it and submit your book with the label, we still tie in the defects with the book. Thing is, we don't know for sure that the label belongs to the book. Since we take photos of submissions now, the original submission photo may be on file if it's not too old. We can then compare the old scan with the new to see if there are any visible defects to confirm.

There have been some recent submissions on those who press their own items where they are ruining the comics. This goes not only for rippling, but lately one person in particular has been ruining book by getting water stains where tiny non-color breaking spine dings are. The dings will come out, but now there is a tiny circle of water, lowering the grade. Also, we see popped staples at times for those who do not know what they are doing, or if something is fragile enough (or is known to have weak staples like a Hawkman #4), staples may pop and lower the grade.

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Post Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 6:00 am 
 

dbartman wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Oh, I also should have mentioned that this was a BIN and "Make Offer" sale, so that was a huge factor in the sale price.  It almost assuredly wouldn't have sold for that much if it was a straight auction sale.  That doesn't mean that the prices won't eventually get there for auction sales, too.  They probably will, especially in this condition.


Noted. In the end, like everything, if the person is happy with what they have paid....good for them.

In the current climate though...i do wonder.

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Post Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 7:36 am 
 

Hi TitanCG! Please feel free to introduce yourself: https://acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... start=2412.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:49 pm 
 

Philflound wrote in CGC Grading Etc...:Just got 2 copies of S1 in today for grading from someone. Both are first prints. One has a blue interior cover print and the other has a light green. I remember something similar with I believe another module where the printed map on the interior cover came in 2 different color shades, though for the life of me, can't remember which adventure. There is nothing here about S1 having 2 different color interior for the cover. Anyone have an idea. I am not breaking out a variation on this, but if S1 does come in 2 different color cover interiors, I may note it on the label. Thanks.

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Others may be able to chime in; but I believe you can see the same exact green interior here in a first print D1. Would the Acaeum consider this a factory defect?
I dont think this was thought of as a defect at the time. It was likely just the beginning or ending of the print run. Is that right?



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Post Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:47 pm 
 

It could be, but it looks like it could also be color fading resulting from UV exposure.  The right-most panel seems to be faded the most.  You would normally expect, if it was a printing issue, that the panels would be roughly the same color density.

The lighting used for the pictures could have altered and washed out the color, too.

  
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