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Rakeesh sah Tarna
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:19 pm

lawrenson wrote:However, doing a search, I found examples of him doing this with other posters looking for items, on different boards.

whats the deal?? has been done here also
there is no monopoly on sales

lawrenson wrote:I can only assume he is too stupid/unimaginative to actually advertise for items himself, so tags onto other people coat-tails. The guy is just an a*sehole, in my opinion.

more like good advice for person with mod to get expert opinion not take first offer. carl is no big time dealer

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:22 pm

ok. if want to play that way how about etiquette thread for dealers who get good deals pushed their way and do not even acknowledge far less any thanks??

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:27 pm

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:ok. found it - http://www.ukroleplayers.com/forum/view ... =9&p=49671

blatant attempt to rip off someone with copy. gyg is hero in this story sorry
would have been better had not flagged this to attention

Cheers! was looking for that - I didn't even know this existed. I am SO going to post here

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:27 pm

Malc.

pm sent.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:34 pm

Oh, Harami, still sore that you got outbid?

I really don't like to deal privately with people who are dishonest, or have numerous multiple identities.

Got any copies of "dont give up the ship" for sale, maybe?? :lol:

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:46 pm

Ok, so who ELSE who has posted on this thread is also David?? :lol:

Thats the 4th identity he's had on this Forum, at least.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:00 pm

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:and from $200??
nothing reasonable in $1400 for mint copy if you know can get $4k++ easy

Please show me where you have seen or heard of an ST1 (Mint of not) sell for anywhere close to $4k ++ ....

Well?......

Now you are feeding the fires from the other side.

While I agree that offering $200 is arguably dealing on the wrong side of outright theft, from the sales figures I have read here at the Acaeum, an offer of $1400 is FAR from being an insult, though it MAY be a bit low if the Module is mint.
IMO: $1,400 is a reasonable offer for an unknown item.
It was a BLIND offer for a rare item that may not even exist in the context of that guys post!
And if the offer was replied to in a positive way for one that was in MINT condition, then I am quite sure that the price would be adjustable for a truly MINT copy.

A blind offer was being made for a sight unseen item.
It was not an offer for a KNOWN Specific Item.
That offer was not being made for one posted on E-Bay or the Acaeum classifieds with pictures scans and detailed descriptions......

Even in mint condition, I have never heard of (or seen) any ST1 sell for over $2,500 and there is only ONE instance (That I know of) of one selling at that price...
ONE. Not several, or even two. JUST ONE. :lol:

$4k ++..... lol :wink:

where ever do you get those funnies from?

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:08 pm

Nothing good is going to come from any further posting on this thread.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:09 pm

Aneoth wrote:Please show me where you have seen or heard of an ST1 (Mint of not) sell for anywhere close to $4k ++ ....

Well?......

fyi only as asked
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malcolmlaw ... 1/sizes/l/
viewtopic.php?p=118688&highlight=#118688
viewtopic.php?p=118826&highlight=#118826

Aneoth wrote:Now you are feeding the fires from the other side.

While I agree that offering $200 is arguably dealing on the wrong side of outright theft, from the sales figures I have read here at the Acaeum, an offer of $1400 is FAR from being an insult, though it MAY be a bit low if the Module is mint.

http://www.ukroleplayers.com/forum/view ... =9&p=49671
"I am willing to pay generous cash"

Aneoth wrote:$4k ++..... lol where ever do you get those funnies from?

per above

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:10 pm

red_bus wrote:Nothing good is going to come from any further posting on this thread.

yep but i dont have the thread delete button

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:13 pm

Aneoth wrote:Even in mint condition, I have never heard of (or seen) any ST1 sell for over $2,500 and there is only ONE intance of one selling at that price...
ONE. Not several, or even two. JUST ONE.

$4k ++..... lol where ever do you get those funnies from?

I really do not have a dog in this race....BUT,

You do realize that the auction history on the site as it shows right now is not a comprehensive listing, right? Aside from that, there hasn't been a sale of an ST1 for less than $1400 in a long time, regardless of condition. If the ST1 is in fact "Mint" as the person is claiming, then $1400 is downright ridiculous.

Beyond that, and again I am not trying to take sides in this, but a few other things as *I* see it:

1) I am not sure why David's attempt to hide his posting ID here has much of anything to do with the points he is making, it's clearly an ad hominem attack and it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

2) I think that calling someout out on this forum in a dispute that happened on some other forum is in incredibly poor taste.

3) I also think the fact that you partook on a fishing expedition in attempt to buy an ST1 for far less than you know its worth and then get so upset when someone busts you for doing it is bad form as well. Let's face it someone busted you for doing something that you damn well know is at the very least shady and to blunt, could very well be construed as being dishonest.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:20 pm

I did not get to GenCon, but I assume some ST1's were sold there from your links.

OK.....

I saw a picture of an ST1 hanging at someones booth presumeably at the last GenCon.

I saw no sales price there, not even a sales sticker....

And the other two links were just as helpfull. :lol:

You linked to a couple of Acaeum threads that I was already aware of, yet still no confirmed sales prices.

One of the two posts was from Lawrenson stating that someone from T&T OFFERED 4K for the lesser of two ST1's and was turned down because they are not true collectors and therefore unworthy to own an ST1.

So, I am still waiting for a confirmed sales price of "easily $4K ++....."

Well? :wink:

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:23 pm

Aneoth wrote:I did not get to GenCon, but I assume some ST1's were sold there from your links.

OK.....

I saw a picture of an ST1 hanging at someones booth presumeably at the last GenCon.

I saw no sales price there, not even a sales sticker....

And the other two links were just as helpfull.

You linked to a couple of Acaeum threads that I was already aware of, yet still no confirmed sales prices.

One of the two posts was from Lawrenson stating that someone from T&T OFFERED 4K for the lesser of two ST1's and was turned down because they are not true collectors and therefore unworthy to own an ST1.

So, I am still waiting for a confirmed sales price of "easily $4K ++....."

Well?

There is a big sign in the middle of the picture that clearly states:

"ST1-Up the Garden Path

The Rarest TSR module

Ever Produced

$4,200"

It's kind of hard to miss.

As far as the links he posted, Malcolm clearly states that someone from Troll & Toad offered him $4000 for one of his and he decided against selling it to them:

lawrenson wrote:One thing I didn't mention at the Con was that T&T actually offered me $4000 for the cheaper of the 2 ST1s -- but I decided that I really didn't want one going to someone that, erm UNAPPRECIATIVE

ETA: It's really a shame that this thread had to be started.

This is one of those situations where no one wins.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:30 pm

bclarkie wrote:
I really do not have a dog in this race....BUT,

You do realize that the auction history on the site as it shows right now is not a comprehensive listing, right? Aside from that, there hasn't been a sale of an ST1 for less than $1400 in a long time, regardless of condition. If the ST1 is in fact "Mint" as the person is claiming, then $1400 is downright ridiculous.

Beyond that, and again I am not trying to take sides in this, but a few other things as *I* see it:

1) I am not sure why David's attempt to hide his posting ID here has much of anything to do with the points he is making, it's clearly an ad hominem attack and it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

2) I think that calling someout out on this forum in a dispute that happened on some other forum is in incredibly poor taste.

3) I also think the fact that you partook on a fishing expedition in attempt to buy an ST1 for far less than you know its worth and then get so upset when someone busts you for doing it is bad form as well. Let's face it someone busted you for doing something that you damn well know is at the very least shady and to blunt, could very well be construed as being dishonest.

B... I was not taking sides on the overall issue either.
Like you, I have no dog in this hunt and in fact I would not buy an ST1 even at the $200 theft price (except for an immediate re-sale).

I am a collector.
Not a seller.

I was asking about possible confirmed sales prices that was quoted at being "easily $4k ++...."

I still am.
That was a PRICE handwritten on a sheet of paper (Which until you pointed it out I missed, thanks). Still a price sheet does not equate to a sales price.

Hell T&T had a OB3 on sale for 8K and everyone stated how stupid that was.
Later they relisted for just 5800... what a steal at almost 3k off!

Are you guys now saying that all it takes is a freaking for sale sign to equate value?

Right............

If one of those ST1's sold at GenCon for easily $4K ++, then thats all I wanted was some confirmation on that.

yet thats not what was given.
And still hasn't.

And yes, I am quite aware that the sun is bright and that space is vast and that the Acaeum is not a know all be all price guide for RPG collectables........

But thanks.

And also, one more time.
He was NOT making an offer for any specific MINT copy of ST1.
In the posts I read; he had made a BLIND offer for ANY ST1 that might surface in the UK at some future time.

HE WAS SHAKING THE BUSHES GUYS.......

And said as much in his first post.

Perhaps you guys are reading some other posts that have not been linked in this tread, or one I missed.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:30 pm

red_bus wrote:Nothing good is going to come from any further posting on this thread.

Who said this thread had anything to do with "good"? I'm just trying to figure out which side people are on and which side is winning. From where I am sitting I don't see any winners at all just yet. :roll:

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:33 pm

Agree. No winners as yet. Nor I suspect are there likely to be. I haven't seen a thread get this personal this quick in a long time...

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:36 pm

Aneoth wrote:HE WAS SHAKING THE BUSHES GUYS.......

I would agree with you J and the thread created did actually start out that way until this was posted halfway down the thread:

lawrenson wrote:Hiya,

current estimates (from one of the authors) suggest roughly 80 - 90 sold, plus whatever was snaffled by TSR staff (say another 20?).

However, it is a really naff adventure, so hopefully quite a lot of these will have survived, as it wasnt played much

Condition is paramount on this one I'm afraid - particularly those interesting "spine cracks" that ST1 is prone to.
Anywhere between £100 up to £700 for a near mint copy. I suspect you really wouldnt get much more on Ebay, unless you had an extremely good rating and were in the USA.

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I find the bolded part that I highlighted to be particularly troubling. But like I said above, no matter who "wins" in these types of situations, everyone loses in the end.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:40 pm

Hiya

1. as advertised. Not, unfortunately, as sold. Quite considerably less. I will not advise the price, but Blackmoor can attest to that.

2 I was offered 4k for it by T&T on dealer setup (which is why I said 4200). As stated in the above post, I refused to sell it to them. I decided I would rather take a considerably lower offer to see it with a good home with a collector, and that it what I did. Also see above post.

Obviously, this selling it at a much lower price makes me mercenary, apparently.

I did eventually accept a the $100 they offered me for a softback MM, but you can buy them on Ebay for $20... and I had it on the stall all weekend at $40 and no-one bought it. However, I guess NOW they are worth $100, as T&T has paid that, right?

Cheers,
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