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Post Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:09 pm 
 

I've shipped to Italy with no problems, even had a time where the package came back to me due to the person having an old address on their Paypal account. Not sure if they tried forwarding it to him, but it had a lot of stickers attached when I got it back.  He paid for shipping again for his new address, and it got there fine.
Also been the recipient of packages from Italy with no problems.

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Post Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:13 pm 
 

Alexander1968 wrote:
I always wonder if Italy and Italians bashing is still a popular sport in the UK and, sadly, it is indeed. I'm used to see sniding remarks in The Economist but reading them here too...  :(  I'm sure in the future I'll attempt to avoid you the hassles and the great danger to ship items here. I don't want to see fine British people like Gyg having to do business with a lowly country such as the Brazil of Europe  :roll:

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I'm not having a dig at Italians or Italy, I will happily ship to Italy, but with the extra charge for delivery confirmation (that is clearly stated in all my auctions). However I do not think I am wrong in saying that I am seeing more and more sellers who will not ship to Italy, or will only do so when conditions similar to mine are met.
(Remember - shipping is entirely based on trust when shiping confirmation is not included - Paypal will always find for the buyer. And unfortunately Italy does not have the most reliable postal service in the world).

not a dig at Italians - I dislike people of all races/religions/colours/creeds/sexuality equally (well, don't get me started on the French, or the Scottish, or the Welsh, most Antipodeans, anyone with slanty eyes, a lot of the African nations................... Actually I don't really like anyone much, including people from the Midlands, Lancashire(!), Essex boys, Arsenal fans............................ (If you got this far remember to note the smily!!) :lol:  :roll:


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Post Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:20 pm 
 

Reading back Alexanders post, it seems that my post ws taken really seriously, for which I am truly sorry.

It was not my intention to upset anyone, I was merely stating the facts as I see them.

My only shipping with delivery confirmation was not a knee-jerk reaction, it was the direct result of several chargebacks. I cannot know whether these were fraudulent or otherwise, I can only know that I am out of pocket from items shipped to Italy - in my situation, would anyone do any differently?

Sorry to offend, none was intended.

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Post Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:51 am 
 

gyg wrote:Reading back Alexanders post, it seems that my post ws taken really seriously, for which I am truly sorry.

It was not my intention to upset anyone, I was merely stating the facts as I see them.

My only shipping with delivery confirmation was not a knee-jerk reaction, it was the direct result of several chargebacks. I cannot know whether these were fraudulent or otherwise, I can only know that I am out of pocket from items shipped to Italy - in my situation, would anyone do any differently?

Sorry to offend, none was intended.

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i hear what Carl is sayins, and realistically, he is just using common sense here. the second someone does that to me too, i will only do the same. for now, the trust element is there and i will allow things, but the minute that trust is broken, you change things to protect yourself.

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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:51 am 
 

I appreciate Carl's sentiments and I am grateful for his apologies, but I'd like to point out that I have some reasons in believing that Italy and Italians seem to enjoy a 'funnyboys' status with British and Americans people. One of the most amazingly infuriating, stupid, offensive and idiotic articles I have ever read - in a gaming magazine - was the one where the writer stated the Italians argued with Germans during the North Africa campaign because Italians wanted some water to cook pasta and the Germans were of course opposed  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: Anybody that has ever read something serious about the conditions of Italian troops in North Africa knows very well that, when Italian soldiers actually managed to get some fresh water, they would have never wasted it for cooking or washing anything, including themselves. And another one, always regarding the North African campaign, where Italian officers drinking wine were depicted as being some kind of lazy, incompetent buffoons sunk in debauchery (ah, these Mediterranean men...) while when the British officers drank rum it was considered a sign of manliness and readiness to fight.  Mind you, I'm not sad for Italy's losing the second world war: I'm 100% sure that winning with an alliance with Nazi Germany would have been a fate worse than a nightmare for my people and my country (and for the German people too). But, nonetheless, I am convinced that Italian war veterans and most importantly war dead deserve respect from opponents too. They sacrificed their lives for their country, albeit for the wrong cause .   :cry: If you are curious, I direct you to the Italian El Alamein movie that depicts magistrally the awful conditions of Italian soldiers during the North African campaign - I actually cried when I saw it for the first time and I cried again seeing the war veterans' memories and accounts in the 'special contents' section.

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:59 am 
 

That does seem like a grossly unfair statement. I don't think Italian officers needed to drink wine to be lazy, incompetent buffoons.
I think I have more problems with Canada than Italy. The Mounties, or whoever inspects the mail, seem to single me out and open every item I send up there. I once sent a big box of Magic cards, and they arrived at the person's house with DIRT inside, and many cards were scraped. They had obviously been spilled on the floor and swept back in.


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:28 am 
 

Shipping to Italy is risky...it's the only place I've shipped to and had problems with the stuff arriving (on two occasions).  Saying that - and meaning it - doesn't have to be bashing Italy or Italians.  Hell, I'm Italian (though American born).  Don't take it so personally Alexander1968!  Lighten up, bro!  :D


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:37 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:That does seem like a grossly unfair statement. I don't think Italian officers needed to drink wine to be lazy, incompetent buffoons.
I think I have more problems with Canada than Italy. The Mounties, or whoever inspects the mail, seem to single me out and open every item I send up there. I once sent a big box of Magic cards, and they arrived at the person's house with DIRT inside, and many cards were scraped. They had obviously been spilled on the floor and swept back in.


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They move in mysterious ways and have the broad (and mostly undefined) powers to seize items seemingly at whim. Sometimes it is a crapshoot shipping items across the border.  :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:48 am 
 

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RCMP are not the culprits, it would be these guys...Canada Border Services Agency

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/menu-eng.html

They move in mysterious ways and have the broad (and mostly undefined) powers to seize items seemingly at whim. Sometimes it is a crapshoot shipping items across the border.  :roll:


Also of Italian heritage (my grandfather came across in the 20's to Ellis island) and while I have had some trouble with Italian mail (once had two packages held in customs for a month each) I have about the same problems with the Maxwell Smarts running Canadian inspections.  Jason is right items are held without rhyme or reason, like if they pull every 10th item or so they are going to magically find a stash of pure black tar heroin or something.  I just put "used books" on every package and declare value under $50, seems to keep the mounties out of my packages for the most part.

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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:52 am 
 

Wow, just read that webpages for Canadian Border Security, it read like "Mein Kampf".  And I thought Homeland Security in our country was bad, these guys are giving them a run for their money.  "More government intervention is a better world" seems to be their motto, check out this recent tidbit, I swear I thought it was in excerpt from Orwell's "1984"  8O :

News Release National 2008
The Government of Canada proposes amendments to the Customs Act to strengthen border security
Ottawa, Ontario, February 15, 2008 - The Honourable Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, today took another step to enhance Canada's border security and prosperity by introducing amendments to the Customs Act in the House of Commons.

"Stopping illegal activity and protecting Canadians from threats to their health, safety and security is a key priority for this Government," said Minister Day. "These changes give Canada Border Services Agency officers the information, tools and flexibility they need to detect threats and tackle crime, while ensuring that legitimate trade and travellers can cross the border efficiently."

The amendments will make it mandatory for all businesses involved in the import trade chain to provide the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) with electronic data on their shipments before the goods reach Canada. With this advance information, the CBSA will be able to make better decisions about the admissibility of the goods, including whether the goods pose a risk to Canadians.

Other amendments will enable the CBSA to fully implement "customs controlled areas," which will provide border services officers with the flexibility to examine goods and question and search people anywhere within those areas, as opposed to only at exit points as in the current Act.  

"Enhancing border security is a key priority for our Government," said Minister Day. "Our Government has made significant investments in support of a smart, secure and trade-efficient border. For example, it has invested $430 million to upgrade border infrastructure and security. It is arming 4,800 CBSA officers and hiring 400 new officers to eliminate situations where they have to work alone. Today's announcement further demonstrates our Government's commitment to strengthen the integrity of our border."


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:00 pm 
 

Yeah, and they keep legalizing drugs like pot just to keep the populace stupefied!   :D


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:06 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:Yeah, and they keep legalizing drugs like pot just to keep the populace stupefied!   :D


Pot's legal north of the border? I wish to hell the US would just do this so we could save billions on ineffective enforcement. Coming from someone who has never used an illegal drug in his life, I'd like to see this money spent on something useful...like keeping drunks off the highway. :wink:

Marijuana advocates across Canada are celebrating a May 16 Ontario court decision, which effectively legalized possession in Canada's largest province.

On Friday, May 16, Ontario Superior Court Justice Steven Rogin upheld the lower court ruling of Justice Philips, concerning a case of pot possession in Ontario.

Justice Rogin agreed that the federal government had failed in its obligation to change the law to allow for medical use of marijuana, and so the entire law was void.

This decision is binding on Ontario's lower courts, which means that no-one can be convicted of pot possession in Ontario. This effectively means that marijuana is now legal in Canada's largest province.

It is expected that other Appeal courts across Canada will also ratify the decision. Related cases are making their way through the courts in at least four other provinces.

The federal government has appealed the case to Ontario's Court of Appeal.

The "decrim" legislation being contemplated by Canada's Liberal government will presumably be aimed at filling this void in Canada's pot laws.

Marijuana advocates are encouraging pot smokers in Ontario to enjoy their new-found freedom. "The people of Ontario should be celebrating this monumental victory!" said Marc Emery of the BC Marijuana party. "Anywhere you can smoke tobacco, they should be smoking marijuana."

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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:13 pm 
 

At least that will be one less "US problem." Maybe we can get Tim Horton's banned in the US? Or, at least, weddings in them.


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Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:39 pm 
 

Don't you mean Tim Ho-ton's?


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