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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:23 pm 
 

misterspock wrote:I could be jumping to conclusions here, but I wonder if the seller is learning from his "mistakes" and now re-printing with some of these "issues" ironed out...


When I was involved in collectable comics we ran into this problem with repros of independent comcis. The TMNT early issues were easily faked, and then some of the more pricy mature reader stuff like the Crow and Cry for Dawn. When mass produced items become collectable and go intot he multiple hundreds in dollar value someone is going to start faking them. A lot of problems can be hidden when you have an item that is not going to be unsealed. Hell they could take a booklet from a common B3 or any similar module and go the extra mile and print the cover on stiff cardboard like some of the independents are doing, or even some of the DCC line of modules.

Not saying this suddenly found shrinkwrap is fake, but that last B3 wasnt in shrink and looks fake as hell.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:38 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
I think the hole in the shrink is an air vent and keeps the shrink from bubbling when it gets sealed onto the module. When I worked in a record store in the early 80s we had a heat shrinkmachine and sometimes air would get trapped when we put the wrap on the record album.

We have a winner. The thing about shrinkwrap is that it shrinks when heated. The machine automatically puts small holes in the material so the air can escape and make a tight fit on the package.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:41 pm 
 


** expired/removed eBay auction **




Early TSR Lankhmar game, board game if I remember correctly, not an RPG aas the seller states (but it has been years since Ive owned one of these and cant remember exactly).

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:54 pm 
 


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Another white box set. Dont think Ive posted this one before, but a lot of these have come up for sale this week.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:59 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
I have a copy printed from the pdf, and the cover looks exactly like the one in these pictures (white border).

Mike B.


I was comparing covers earlier, too, with the pdf copy and his photos and there were some similarities, but not completely...specifically the art. One thing I mentioned in a previous post was the cropping of the art in the green version versus the orange version. His orange B3 was the correct cropping, but the front and back art would have needed to be cleaned up in photoshop a lot from the pdf.

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:18 am 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
That looks fake as hell. The cover looks like paper rather than cardboard. Makes me think the pages inside are rounded too instead of being in crisply folded booklet. Can anyone even spot staples on the spine?


The OB3 Orange is like most other earlier TSR Modules.
The cover is seperate and not stapled to the booklet, so there should not be staples for the cover at all.
I agree with you and the others here.
I think this guy is looking for one sucker and then move on.

I doubt anyone who is very experienced would not have questions about this item.

I think the last two versions of this listing represent either a re-print of a PDF, or perhaps a scan of an actual Module.

After a little trimming (to get shed of the white areas) he might have even shrink wrapped the same re-print (or copy) for this newest listing.
Shrink wrap machines are not that hard to find and the dude does have 15 years experience in the printing business after all... :lol:


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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:21 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
The OB3 Orange is like most other earlier TSR Modules.
The cover is seperate and not stapled to the booklet, so there should not be staples for the cover at all.


lol jeez, ive been going through DCCs and forgot.  :oops:

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:32 am 
 

From the new auction listing...
I had another one up for auction But I believe it was a 2002 version I just didn't know it !  You guys  looking at this and my other items have really helped to enlighten me. Thanks!!!


A 2002 version? Does he mean it was printed in 2002?! :lol:

When you do comment please be cordial ! not nasty if you are nasty I will block you from bidding.


Alright...who's the one threatening this poor fellow? :lol: The LAST thing anyone would want is to be blocked from bidding on a suspicious item.

He has new photos up, too...

That reminds me, as you look through his previously sold items, there's a bunch of stuff in shrink, including a number bought by porthawkesbury (the guy bidding high on many sw items that we discussed in a different thread). I wonder if he or someone else can compare the shrink jobs to other known legitimate ones?

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:50 am 
 

misterspock wrote:From the new auction listing...


Alright...who's the one threatening this poor fellow? :lol: The LAST thing anyone would want is to be blocked from bidding on a suspicious item.

He has new photos up, too...

That reminds me, as you look through his previously sold items, there's a bunch of stuff in shrink, including a number bought by porthawkesbury (the guy bidding high on many sw items that we discussed in a different thread). I wonder if he or someone else can compare the shrink jobs to other known legitimate ones?


An orange B3 in shrink is such a rarity I  would want to know the history of it. There aren't many places this module could have come from that I know of, so I would be very interested to hear this ones provenance.

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:22 am 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
An orange B3 in shrink is such a rarity I  would want to know the history of it.
There aren't many places this module could have come from that I know of, so I would be very interested to hear this ones provenance.


I would be screwed then.
I have no clue as to the provenance of my SWed copy of OB3.

WHY does it automatically CHANGE my wording?
O B 3 is what I typed... not all that other crap.
It did the same thing earlier in another one of my posts...
Is there no way to turn off the aucto correct?


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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:30 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
I would be screwed then.
I have no clue as to the provenance of my SWed copy of OB3.

WHY does it automatically CHANGE my wording?
O B 3 is what I typed... not all that other crap.
It did the same thing earlier in another one of my posts...
Is there no way to turn off the aucto correct?


I don't think that would be a problem for you since you have a good reputation, but maybe contact the guy you got it from and see if they can link it back to at least the previous seller.

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:28 pm 
 

misterspock wrote:That reminds me, as you look through his previously sold items, there's a bunch of stuff in shrink, including a number bought by porthawkesbury (the guy bidding high on many sw items that we discussed in a different thread). I wonder if he or someone else can compare the shrink jobs to other known legitimate ones?

I pointed out earlier that Beasterbrook won a couple of those. He in turn pointed out that he passed them on to 'Mike'. Sorry, but my knowledge of RL names is quite lacking for you guys.  :lol:  'Mike' could possibly shed some light there.

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:41 pm 
 

I believe the "Mike" in question would be the indefatigable Badmike.


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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:21 pm 
 

Talk about taking a risk when buying from a seller.

1) starts by offering up an obviously fake O.B3 for $800
2) then relists the fake as a rare miscut version for $2500
3) then drops the price to $2000

4) then lists a new O.B3 new in shrink for $1500

Not sure the new O.B3 is a fake or real but I don't think I would be touching any of his auctions with a 10 foot pole.  The whole thing is just screaming scam.  For anyone buying, make sure you do your diligence in checking if the shrink is authentic.

It could very well end up being that the original collector had an O.B3 but didn't want to open the shrink so printed up the WotC version but only time will tell if this seller starts listing O.B3s on demand.

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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:19 pm 
 

serleran wrote:I believe the "Mike" in question would be the indefatigable Badmike.


That would surprise me.
He never made mention of having ever owned a copy of an Orange B3 to me, much less TWO copies.
And I honestly think he would have mentioned it at one of our irregular Table Top Gaming Sessions if so.

I think it is a differnt "Mike" than Badmike.


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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:24 pm 
 

I didn't say he did have a shrinkwwrap O.B3 That was in response to SimperingToad.


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Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:13 pm 
 

The query wasn't asking if Mike had shrink copies of an Orange B3, but if the shrinked items he 'won' via proxy from the seller of the current B3 debate seemed to be original shrink compared to others he may already have.

  

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Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:40 am 
 

Brette, let me know what items you purchased from the guy, and I'll have a look see when I get back home.  I don't remember getting any SW stuff for Brette recently.

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