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Deadlord
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:28 pm

Dragonlord would be rarer if for no other reason than that you have to disassemble and cut it up to use it.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:37 pm

Mars wrote:Also interesting to point out that DragonLords and The Village don't seem to be on the list which could explain why it seems they are much rarer?

That is a good point. Dragonlord came a bit later, but puzzling why it would not be on the list. Looking at my copy, the WW other items lists all the usuals with the revised character archaic, and coming soon banners of order and chaos, highwayman, and battles of the cosmic frogs. More interestingly related to Zocchi, the notation to "order games through Lou Zocchi, 7604 Newton Dr. Biloxi, MS. 39532."

This is not a sticker, but incorporated into the original game itself as part of it.

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:27 am

"Don't tempt me, I can resist anything but temptation"

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:06 am

Yes, nice.
Thanks for the pictures.

Could you post a couple of close ups of the staples though?
Front and back if you would please. Thanks.... :lol:

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:07 am

Wow. Thanks.

Staples are age consistent with the apparent time of manufacture. Modern staples are scored and punched from folded steel sheet, and are actually rectangular in profile. Those staples are made from steel wire and so are far more likely to be older.

There isn't evidence of them having been put in by machine. Older staples tend to have a much greater degree of bend to them than modern staples, and that isn't evident here. In fact, one staple shows a counter bend mid way along the return on one leg, which may be evidence of then having been placed or replaced with pliers. When I remove curved staples from a book that I am scanning, I straighten the staple legs and re-nsert the staple, which is then flattened with the nose of the pliers. giving very similar results. There does not appear to be evidence that the staples were ever curled insitu.

There are many possibilities, and no way of knowing. But perfectly plausable reasons could be that the store owner reused packaging that had contained another product; or the staples could have been applied over a soft surface and then flattened becuase the curling plate on his stapler was broken. Or even that an owner somewhere in the product's history has opened and reclosed the packaging. We have no idea of the provenance of this item prior to toymom selling it.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:19 pm

. wrote:There are many possibilities, and no way of knowing. But perfectly plausable reasons could be that the store owner reused packaging that had contained another product; or the staples could have been applied over a soft surface and then flattened becuase the curling plate on his stapler was broken.

all 1970s staplers including continuous wire have curling plates not flat or no back??

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:40 pm

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:all 1970s staplers including continuous wire have curling plates not flat or no back??

In all probablility, but the staples here have no evidence of curling, so it looks like the taples have been manually inserted and flattened. That is a very deliberate action. I am giving the benifit of the doubt and suggesting the staples were once bent and the product has been opened and reclosed, maybe for resale. The alternative would be that this is a badly aged fake, so let's go with the opened and reclosed hypothesis for now. At least we know this product isn't meant to be in that packaging, and the packaging has been faked, reused from elsewhere, or at ver least opened in the past.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:55 pm

applies occam to given list

. wrote:opened in the past.

faked packaging not so likely with those pics but fairly sure not all wire staples curled

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:21 pm

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:fairly sure not all wire staples curled

Yes, there is a model hobby shop nearby that has a lot of old stock from the late 70s and 80s and their railway track hanging packages have similar staples without curl.

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:21 pm

My default assumption is that you are looking at staples that have been removed and then replaced and flattened into place with pliers. I do this every day when scanning books, and this is what the staples look like. No more curl, because you can't get both curls back through the holes even if you preserve the curls when you open the staples. Safest conclusion at this juncture is that the product has been opened and reclosed. Still think the vampire bats on the balcony is a major concern as no evidence that the vampire queen was ever there. Cannot believe this is the original pre-pub cover prior to Lou Zocchi producing the one we all know and love.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:25 pm

Mars wrote:
Yes, there is a model hobby shop nearby that has a lot of old stock from the late 70s and 80s and their railway track hanging packages have similar staples without curl.

Had actually thought maybe they were stapled with a gun against a flat steel surface. But the staple with the indentation mid way along the return leg looks like it has been pressed with the nose of a pair of pliers, or some such. I close staples this way every day, and this is what they look like.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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