killjoy32 wrote:right shane, after a bit of digging, i think this is the one:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summon ... er_game%29
chromaticknight wrote:Shadowgate maybe??edit: Bah, didnt see the answer above
chromaticknight wrote:Life and all, ya know
jasonw1239 wrote:If you have any trouble running it you can try to use it with DosBox.http://www.dosbox.com/I have used that to run older games on a Windows XP computer where the game would not run in compatibility mode.
There is a sci-fi book, I can only remember something about Iron being in the title, about an alternate universe where Hitler moved to the USA as a boy and became a sci-fi writer. His fans would go to conventions dressed in these uniforms he designed, with banners and emblems, etc... It was mainly about how incredibly racist sci-fi tends to be, where aliens are all either warlike and ignorant, greedy and sniveling, crafty and backstabbing, and instead of having all kinds of different cultures have a single generalized culture that they are all like... Anyway, that's what this discussion reminds me of. I do know that dressing children up as nazi's is just plain sick.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JZavoda wrote: There is a sci-fi book, I can only remember something about Iron being in the title, about an alternate universe where Hitler moved to the USA as a boy and became a sci-fi writer. His fans would go to conventions dressed in these uniforms he designed, with banners and emblems, etc... It was mainly about how incredibly racist sci-fi tends to be, where aliens are all either warlike and ignorant, greedy and sniveling, crafty and backstabbing, and instead of having all kinds of different cultures have a single generalized culture that they are all like... Anyway, that's what this discussion reminds me of. I do know that dressing children up as nazi's is just plain sick. Reminds me of race day at any Nascar track in the south, were the Stars and Bars are flown proudly, despite the negative connotations attached. There are still people out there than think the US Civil War was fought to "Free the Slaves"; it was a bit more complicated. Regardless, oddly enough it seems a certain level of cretin will always delight in promoting something they only dimly understand by hanging such flags on their cars while at the track. There are people who RESPECTFULLY use the uniforms to demonstrate history and run historical re-enactments... Tangentally, I have to think the reason there has never been a Jonah Hex movie made (despite his being probably one of the top ten coolest, bad ass characters in comics history) is because he wears a confederate jacket (having served in the South in the War). I wouldn't be surprised, if a movie does get made someday, they retro-fit some lame-ass explanation on his character that he was really a Union soldier; or that he was a "spy" for the Union, or that they just do away with the jacket and background altogether to make his cursing, killing, uncouth bounty hunter character more PC and palatable for the general audience. When you can't sanitize something, just ignore it I guess... Despite the fact his origin makes clear he served with the south during the war to join a friend that enlisted, yet didn't agree with many of their beliefs, like a lot of soldiers in many wars throughout history..... That being said, I agree with JZ, dressing up kids in Nazi uniforms is pretty sad...and Iron Dream is a great book. Mike B.
Badmike wrote: ...and Iron Dream is a great book. I found Iron Dream to be a great but uncomfortable book. On the one hand it's this fun, pulpy space opera. On the other hand, the heroes are all Nazis. (Which, of course, was the point of the book and its commentary on science fiction.) Took me forever to find a copy though. In the end I had to order one from a seller in England.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- g026r wrote: I found Iron Dream to be a great but uncomfortable book. On the one hand it's this fun, pulpy space opera. On the other hand, the heroes are all Nazis. (Which, of course, was the point of the book and its commentary on science fiction.) Took me forever to find a copy though. In the end I had to order one from a seller in England. The Iron Dream is that rare entertainment that is actually MORE controversial in later years....if anyone attempted that book now, they would be destroyed (if they even got it published). Kind of like the TV show "All in the Family"....a classic that was edgy in the 70s and would be IMPOSSIBLE to broadcast now in our PC world.... Mike B.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: a classic that was edgy in the 70s and would be IMPOSSIBLE to broadcast now in our PC world Not to be argumentative, but Nickelodeon (yeah, that's right, the children's network) ran a week-long marathon of All in the Family. Of course, they did put a "warning" before it. At least they gave it a shot... not like Wal-Mart.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- serleran wrote: Not to be argumentative, but Nickelodeon (yeah, that's right, the children's network) ran a week-long marathon of All in the Family. Of course, they did put a "warning" before it. At least they gave it a shot... not like Wal-Mart. I'm not talking about reruns...which have the slightly sanitized aspect of being "30 years old"...I'm talking about an actual remake or even a debut of a show similar to All in the Family. There is not 1 in 1 million chance in hell a show like this could be greenlighted in our overly sensitive PC society nowadays. Consider: The main character is an unapologetic racist and misogynist, and is never really punished for such behavior throughtout the show. True, he is ridiculed, but each episode ends with him still secure in his beliefs. Although his uneducated viewpoint is played for laughs, it's made clear that this is an "everyman" and not some aberration. His wife, who he calls "dingbat", is a loving but incredibly unintelligent woman, and not noticibly smoking hot. The trend nowadays is to give the fat, ignorant husband of sitcoms a smoking hot (or at least attractive) woman that is (of course!) much more intelligent than him, so she can wink her eye at the audience when her husband says something over the top. His daughter and son in law are freewheeling liberal lefties, yet everything they say and do, when sometimes much more intelligent compared to the main character's stubborn prejudice, isn't given profound social relevance. Instead, often their over the top liberalism is also made fun of as much as the main character's strident conservatism. I could go on and on, but so many standard TV tropisms are broken in this show, if you were to pitch this today, they would toss you out of the office so hard your ass would bounce. The closest show to it nowadays is South Park, which is possibly the most politically incorrect show of all time, and was supposedly inspired by Parker and Stone's love of All in the Family. However, since it's a cartoon, the episodes don't have the same impact that a "real" show of this type would have (although it's inspired lots of controversy over the years). Mike B.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------On this, Mike, we are in complete agreement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Badmike wrote: I'm not talking about reruns...which have the slightly sanitized aspect of being "30 years old"...I'm talking about an actual remake or even a debut of a show similar to All in the Family. There is not 1 in 1 million chance in hell a show like this could be greenlighted in our overly sensitive PC society nowadays. Consider: The main character is an unapologetic racist and misogynist, and is never really punished for such behavior throughtout the show. True, he is ridiculed, but each episode ends with him still secure in his beliefs. Although his uneducated viewpoint is played for laughs, it's made clear that this is an "everyman" and not some aberration. His wife, who he calls "dingbat", is a loving but incredibly unintelligent woman, and not noticibly smoking hot. The trend nowadays is to give the fat, ignorant husband of sitcoms a smoking hot (or at least attractive) woman that is (of course!) much more intelligent than him, so she can wink her eye at the audience when her husband says something over the top. His daughter and son in law are freewheeling liberal lefties, yet everything they say and do, when sometimes much more intelligent compared to the main character's stubborn prejudice, isn't given profound social relevance. Instead, often their over the top liberalism is also made fun of as much as the main character's strident conservatism. I could go on and on, but so many standard TV tropisms are broken in this show, if you were to pitch this today, they would toss you out of the office so hard your ass would bounce. The closest show to it nowadays is South Park, which is possibly the most politically incorrect show of all time, and was supposedly inspired by Parker and Stone's love of All in the Family. However, since it's a cartoon, the episodes don't have the same impact that a "real" show of this type would have (although it's inspired lots of controversy over the years). Mike B. On a side note what was the English show that All in the Family was based on? (Was it Rising Damp?) I always thought All in the family was heavy left-wing propaganda myself, but that's just me. Another show that wouldn't work in the USA would be 'House of Cards" three British TV movies, I think that was the title. It's done from the villains point of view with cool asides to the audience. The first two are excellent and the third seems to have been made to PC the series because the villain was way to succesful. Can't have the bad guy win.
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