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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:34 pm 
 

The only stat that mattered was the three turnovers. The int for the touchdown was the play that the Steelers just could not recover from. Those seven points made all the difference.
Although, I hate to say I was right, but the GB is the reason they are were they are. The played good enough - beaten down with injury - to win the game. It is that simple.
But what was with the play-calling in the two minute drive for the Steelers. It is second and five and you can't convert on second or third down? GB was giving it to you to protect from the deep ball, and you don't jump on it. There was plenty of time to nickle and dime you way to red zone. That was very weird.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:02 pm 
 

It was not JUST the play calling on the last drive.
Clock management was simply horrible.  
They got the ball back with what... about 2:49 left?

And on that last drive, they Ran off 51 seconds on just TWO PLAYS... 8O  :oops:
And they made a first down between those two plays. :oops:  :oops:  :roll:

On the first down, I would have made a QUICK Snap and a quick throw to the dirt for a 3 second run off... would have saved them 25 seconds on that one play.
Instead they snapped it, Ben dropped back like 5 steps, and eventually passed the ball short (After looking all over the field for a while) and gained a WHOPPING 5 yards... and then ran off about 25 seconds more until the next snap.
If I am Green Bay being in front, at that point; I will allow that time eating 5 yard completion in bounds... EVERY TIME....

Did not matter anyway, but with better clock management and if that last Steelers pass was caught (it was NOT Interference either) then they could have had about a minute 30 left with a 1st down on the 40 or so.

Green Bay out played them and out coached them both.
And the GB QB was GOBS better than the PITT QB last night too.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:44 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:Rogers as MVP?!  Apparently all a quarterback has to do is show up for the superbowl to get the MVP.  Green Bay won.  Rogers put up 2nd string quarterback numbers.  Matthews should have gotten the MVP.


Seriously Martin???

Against a defense as good as the Steelers Rogers did pretty damn good.  And if his receivers hadn't dropped so many key passes, his numbers would have been even better.  Jordy Nelson is the only other player I thought should have received MVP consideration.  He had 9 catches for 140 yards with a touchdown.  But he dropped four, or was it five passes?  And a couple of them would most likely have ended up as touchdowns if he had caught them.

Clay Matthews as MVP?  He had 3 tackles, forced a fumble and blocked a pass.  Sure he put plenty of pressure on the QB but they had problems stopping Mendenhall and got blocked out of the play plenty of times which allowed Big Ben to scramble for 31 yards and a couple of key first downs.  Other defensive players did better IMO.  Peprah had 9 tackles and Zombo had five plus a sack.  I'd be the first to state that defensive players don't get enough credit most of the time when a team plays well, but Matthews didnt deserve the MVP.

The award is given for the best player on the winning team which Rogers clearly was.  You go back and look at some of the MVP's of past Super Bowls and check out their numbers and tell me again how Rogers doesnt deserve the MVP.  Especially when Joe Montana, one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game, only made 14 of 22 passes for 157 yards when he won the MVP for Super Bowl XVI.  And Steve Young, the MVP for Super Bowl XXIX completed 24 of 36 passes for 325 yards and six touchdowns.  Which means he threw 12 incompletions.  Rogers was 24 of 39.  That is 15 incompletions (a whopping three more than Young).  Steve Young had sure handed Jerry Rice, who most consider to be the best receiver ever to play the game.  Rogers had Jordy, who dropped five passes.  If Rogers had Jerry Rice he would have thrown for over 400 yards and five touchdowns.

Do you expect a QB to throw for 400 yards and five touchdowns a game to be considered great?  If that is the case, your golden boy Peyton Manning who was the MVP for Super Bowl XLI, only completed 25 of his 38 passes for 247 yards.  Maybe they should take away his MVP trophy cause he didnt deserve it?  :P


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:32 pm 
 

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Seriously Martin???

Against a defense as good as the Steelers Rogers did pretty damn good.  And if his receivers hadn't dropped so many key passes, his numbers would have been even better.  Jordy Nelson is the only other player I thought should have received MVP consideration.  He had 9 catches for 140 yards with a touchdown.  But he dropped four, or was it five passes?  And a couple of them would most likely have ended up as touchdowns if he had caught them.

Clay Matthews as MVP?  He had 3 tackles, forced a fumble and blocked a pass.  Sure he put plenty of pressure on the QB but they had problems stopping Mendenhall and got blocked out of the play plenty of times which allowed Big Ben to scramble for 31 yards and a couple of key first downs.  Other defensive players did better IMO.  Peprah had 9 tackles and Zombo had five plus a sack.  I'd be the first to state that defensive players don't get enough credit most of the time when a team plays well, but Matthews didnt deserve the MVP.

The award is given for the best player on the winning team which Rogers clearly was.  You go back and look at some of the MVP's of past Super Bowls and check out their numbers and tell me again how Rogers doesnt deserve the MVP.  Especially when Joe Montana, one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game, only made 14 of 22 passes for 157 yards when he won the MVP for Super Bowl XVI.  And Steve Young, the MVP for Super Bowl XXIX completed 24 of 36 passes for 325 yards and six touchdowns.  Which means he threw 12 incompletions.  Rogers was 24 of 39.  That is 15 incompletions (a whopping three more than Young).  Steve Young had sure handed Jerry Rice, who most consider to be the best receiver ever to play the game.  Rogers had Jordy, who dropped five passes.  If Rogers had Jerry Rice he would have thrown for over 400 yards and five touchdowns.

Do you expect a QB to throw for 400 yards and five touchdowns a game to be considered great?  If that is the case, your golden boy Peyton Manning who was the MVP for Super Bowl XLI, only completed 25 of his 38 passes for 247 yards.  Maybe they should take away his MVP trophy cause he didnt deserve it?  :P


Your right, Manning did not deserve the trophy Mr. Rhodes (Running Back) did.  

Sorry, Mr Rodgers performance was not MVP.  He got lucky they even won.  I'm tired that we simply give the award to whatever quarterback won the game (6 TD's in the superbowl that's MVP).  Some balls were dropped; others simply were not on target.  Also, if Mr. Manning had gotten the ball with 2 minutes to go in the game percentages are very high he would have won the game (Saints interception not withstanding).

Rodgers is a very good qb.  He just did not produce a MVP performance.  Matthews may have not put up statistics but he had something to do with almost every play on defense.  

I say to you, John, look past the low hanging friut.  Matthews play impacted the win more than the qb's.  It hard for some to see to that level.  After all, the qb touches the football every offensive play so its easy to look at stats and get all wide eyed.  Don't fall for big stats when the qb threw almost every play of the game.  Like I said, a one-legged qb who throws every play will put up some stats.  Rodgers most impressive stat was that he did not throw an interception.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:53 pm 
 

IIRC, MVP voting takes place at the beginning of the 4th quarter as they have to count the votes by the end of the game.  So more often than not it goes to the QB as the safe default vote.  Media guys don't want to have to think too hard either....

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:04 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:It was not JUST the play calling on the last drive.
Clock management was simply horrible.  
They got the ball back with what... about 2:49 left?

And on that last drive, they Ran off 51 seconds on just TWO PLAYS... 8O  :oops:
And they made a first down between those two plays. :oops:  :oops:  :roll:

On the first down, I would have made a QUICK Snap and a quick throw to the dirt for a 3 second run off... would have saved them 25 seconds on that one play.
Instead they snapped it, Ben dropped back like 5 steps, and eventually passed the ball short (After looking all over the field for a while) and gained a WHOPPING 5 yards... and then ran off about 25 seconds more until the next snap.
If I am Green Bay being in front, at that point; I will allow that time eating 5 yard completion in bounds... EVERY TIME....

Did not matter anyway, but with better clock management and if that last Steelers pass was caught (it was NOT Interference either) then they could have had about a minute 30 left with a 1st down on the 40 or so.

Green Bay out played them and out coached them both.
And the GB QB was GOBS better than the PITT QB last night too.


Thank you!  That entire sequence was WTF.  It was like the Steelers briefly hired Wade Phillips as a consultant for the last two minutes, very Cowboys-like with that time wasting bullshit.  Every single play in that sequence made no sense....hell, even if Williams catches that 4th down pass, and they call a time out, it's STILL 70 yds to go with 20 seconds left in the game!  Stupid, stupid, stupid.....

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:00 pm 
 

Just in case no-one had seen this yet, the Welsh parody of that JayZ/Alicia NY state of mind.  Which is bloody hilarious.  :)

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:04 pm 
 

Badmike wrote: I never felt they were that dominating a team this season.


Neither team was a dominating team this season.

If the Seahawks had somehow managed to fluke the Bears...sending the NFC Championship game to Seattle...you might very well have seen the Seahawks stinking up all of Texas on Sunday.

The Packers and Steelers were just the least callow of all the NFL franchises this year.

I had a good hardy har har when the Steelers lost.  I only regret that the TV did not show any Pittsburgh fans after the game so I could lick the screen to savor their tears.  :twisted:


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:34 pm 
 

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Neither team was a dominating team this season.

If the Seahawks had somehow managed to fluke the Bears...sending the NFC Championship game to Seattle...you might very well have seen the Seahawks stinking up all of Texas on Sunday.

The Packers and Steelers were just the least callow of all the NFL franchises this year.

I had a good hardy har har when the Steelers lost.  I only regret that the TV did not show any Pittsburgh fans after the game so I could lick the screen to savor their tears.  :twisted:


Too bad you weren't in town Sunday night, Mark, you would have had a ball!  Steelers fans are sore losers.  Many reports came in of classless behavior after the game throughout DFW, including my local Whataburger where a half dozen came in after the game, cursed and yelled at Packers and Cowboys jersey-wearing diners, then poured their drinks all over their tables before they left (to be fair the Whataburger employees that I talked to said that the Steeler fans were getting razzed pretty good, but they said it was in response to their attitude, not out of the blue).  The local media reported that they were the worst losing SB team fans they had ever encountered in many, many years, starting fights with Packer and Cowboy fans, engaging in a lot of property destruction leaving the stadium, cursing at media and everyone around them, and trying to bait Texas Stadium security guards into fighting with them.  I know they believe it's their birthright to win EVERY superbowl they are in, but still...

But yeh, that loss looked GREAT on Rapelessburger, Hairamalu, and the rest of those players (and especially the fans!)

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:17 am 
 

Prufrock wrote:

I say to you, John, look past the low hanging friut.  

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that has got to be the best comment i have heard for years!!!! wow i got a good laugh from that!

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:34 am 
 

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Your right, Manning did not deserve the trophy Mr. Rhodes (Running Back) did.  



Same with Namath and Matt Snell in SB III.  Watching that one again recently it kind of stuns me that Snell didn't get MVP.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:44 am 
 

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Same with Namath and Matt Snell in SB III.  Watching that one again recently it kind of stuns me that Snell didn't get MVP.


Namath is the only QB in the HOF with more INTS than TDS, a total fraud and a creation of the East Coast Media Machine that has given him far too much credit over the years for one seminal moment.  Which, by the way, wasn't an actual moment ON THE FIELD but the moment of predicting a win and following through, thus putting the AFC on the map.  Without looking at any notes I could give you 25 players more deserving of HOF status than Broadway Joe.

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:07 pm 
 

Hey Badmike:

I just checked out the raffle items on the NTRPGCon site.  Pretty cool.

How do I buy raffle tickets?  There was a list of items, and a price, but no...you know...buy button.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:20 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Hey Badmike:

I just checked out the raffle items on the NTRPGCon site.  Pretty cool.

How do I buy raffle tickets?  There was a list of items, and a price, but no...you know...buy button.


Just click the paypal button at the top....I just tried it and it's working....

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:42 pm 
 

Namath is the only QB in the HOF with more INTS than TDS, a total fraud and a creation of the East Coast Media Machine that has given him far too much credit over the years for one seminal moment.


I always thought the same could be said for Lynn Swann. Take out the "catch" and his stats read like a poor man's Art Monk.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:57 am 
 

Ekim Toor wrote:
I always thought the same could be said for Lynn Swann. Take out the "catch" and his stats read like a poor man's Art Monk.


To add insult, Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed were all passed over this year, with stats that make Swann's look like a back up on a bad team by comparison.

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Badmike wrote:
Just click the paypal button at the top....I just tried it and it's working....

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OK - So I just bought four raffle tickets....but because I used PayPal they are now in my wife's name.


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:33 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
Namath is the only QB in the HOF with more INTS than TDS, a total fraud and a creation of the East Coast Media Machine that has given him far too much credit over the years for one seminal moment.  Which, by the way, wasn't an actual moment ON THE FIELD but the moment of predicting a win and following through, thus putting the AFC on the map.  Without looking at any notes I could give you 25 players more deserving of HOF status than Broadway Joe.

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sammy baugh 187 td/203 int , there are others too i'm sure from the yearly years, but i realize you meant modern players. speaking of overrated modern players, terry bradshaw (i'm working from memory here) 212 td/210 int. i realize as the qb for 4 super bowl winners he's going to receive too much credit, but how can anyone legitimately claim he one of top 12 qb's in history with numbers like that compiled with one of the great teams in history. and yes swann & stallworth are overrated too.

  
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