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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:41 am 
 

Well, as for the inside back covers, the seller provided me with pics. Hopefully they show up here. The Graphic Printing Company is on 2 & 3, and the inside covers are white. Seems to check out, at least in that regard.

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:36 am 
 

Thanks for sharing the pics, Brittonica---the waviness on the back covers of the books also looks a bit dubious to me.  The main auction pictures also show some waviness in the covers, as well as the reference sheets, but it's not as pronounced as in the ones that you shared.

Has anyone asked about that?

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:40 pm 
 

The main auction pics also show some very difficult-to-see, but evident water damage at the lower corners of the booklets. Especially noticible at the lower left of the covers. I don't think anyone has problems seeing the stains on the box cover, do they?  :)


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:52 pm 
 

That is a bit disappointing.  There is definitely water damage to the books and box.  Enough for discoloration and warping.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:13 pm 
 

stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:I have "many" (25+?) editing copies of TSR products. They actually show "editing" i.e. notations showing the changes between editions. Some of them are in very different stages of layout. The Gamma World 2nd ed box  shows copyright info and text moving all around the title page and redline corrections abound. Other ones are "pre-publication" editing versions that show changes prior to publication.

If the copies up for sale show any editorial changes, it would seem to me they have some value. If they are identical to existing modules with a sticker slapped on the cover, and then ravaged by 35 years of ill use, it would seem to me their value is....that of a reading copy of the modules. So yes, I would say their price is optimistic. By about $4700.

On a related note the "rares" listing for a pre-publication copy of R4 is rather misleading. That is a "pre-publication" editing version, which bears no resemblance to the R1-R3 "pre-publication" printings that were commercially available (albeit in very limited quantities).


The R4 in the picture is a pre-prepub; it is a continuous sheet run off a dot-matrix printer. Almost certainly unique. It wasn't something that was sent around the office to be checked and/or edited.


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:40 pm 
 

Deadlord wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:I have "many" (25+?) editing copies of TSR products. They actually show "editing" i.e. notations showing the changes between editions. Some of them are in very different stages of layout. The Gamma World 2nd ed box  shows copyright info and text moving all around the title page and redline corrections abound. Other ones are "pre-publication" editing versions that show changes prior to publication.

If the copies up for sale show any editorial changes, it would seem to me they have some value. If they are identical to existing modules with a sticker slapped on the cover, and then ravaged by 35 years of ill use, it would seem to me their value is....that of a reading copy of the modules. So yes, I would say their price is optimistic. By about $4700.

On a related note the "rares" listing for a pre-publication copy of R4 is rather misleading. That is a "pre-publication" editing version, which bears no resemblance to the R1-R3 "pre-publication" printings that were commercially available (albeit in very limited quantities).


The R4 in the picture is a pre-prepub; it is a continuous sheet run off a dot-matrix printer. Almost certainly unique. It wasn't something that was sent around the office to be checked and/or edited.


Is it part of the eBay auction?  I do not see any photos of it in the auction.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:44 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:From what the seller has stated, it's a First print alpha.  I think the problems are that A) no picture of the inside cover has been provided, so we're just going off the seller's word, B) low feedback seller, C) the seller took plenty of pictures, but seemingly intentionally omitted taking pictures of the inside cover (and indeed, even avoided mentioning anything that could identify the print in the auction text).  The seller can't even claim ignorance, since they cribbed portions of the description from here.

I have a bit of an uneasy feeling.  I imagine other big bidders feel the same.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:55 am 
 

Deadlord wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:I have "many" (25+?) editing copies of TSR products. They actually show "editing" i.e. notations showing the changes between editions. Some of them are in very different stages of layout. The Gamma World 2nd ed box  shows copyright info and text moving all around the title page and redline corrections abound. Other ones are "pre-publication" editing versions that show changes prior to publication.

If the copies up for sale show any editorial changes, it would seem to me they have some value. If they are identical to existing modules with a sticker slapped on the cover, and then ravaged by 35 years of ill use, it would seem to me their value is....that of a reading copy of the modules. So yes, I would say their price is optimistic. By about $4700.

On a related note the "rares" listing for a pre-publication copy of R4 is rather misleading. That is a "pre-publication" editing version, which bears no resemblance to the R1-R3 "pre-publication" printings that were commercially available (albeit in very limited quantities).


The R4 in the picture is a pre-prepub; it is a continuous sheet run off a dot-matrix printer. Almost certainly unique. It wasn't something that was sent around the office to be checked and/or edited.


The reason that the R1-R3 are correctly referred to as pre-publication copies is because that is exactly how it is stated on the exterior sticker of the items. The R4 dot-matrix printout in question is certainly very rare and I am not trying to diminish its value, but I AM indicating it should not be referred to as a pre-publication edition because it is fundamentally different than the R1-R3 pre-publication commercially available copies. The copy that you used to own Frank, that has been referred to as the R4 pre-publication item, was not marked up for editing. But there could be another version out there that was. Once again, I have dot-matrix printouts of 10+ TSR modules, just like the R4 in question, but I don't think they should be referred to as pre-publication editions either.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:03 am 
 

Melnibonean wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
Deadlord wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
The R4 in the picture is a pre-prepub; it is a continuous sheet run off a dot-matrix printer. Almost certainly unique. It wasn't something that was sent around the office to be checked and/or edited.


Is it part of the eBay auction?  I do not see any photos of it in the auction.


No Scott, I mentioned the R4 because I was trying to correct what I believe to be a mislabeled rare, namely that the dot-matrix printout of R4 should not be lumped in with the commercially available official "prepublication" printings of R1-R3, but should be called something else. Then when Frank typed "The R4 in the picture" he meant the image shown in the Rares section on the Acaeum website, not an ebay auction listing. Sorry to be a source of confusion. I mean well.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:57 am 
 

SimperingToad wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:The main auction pics also show some very difficult-to-see, but evident water damage at the lower corners of the booklets. Especially noticible at the lower left of the covers. I don't think anyone has problems seeing the stains on the box cover, do they?  :)


I asked if there was any water damage to the books or box and this reply from the woody seller; "Thank you for your inquiry.

As noted in the description, book two has some staining on the corners of the front cover. Looks like could be a faint water stain. It did effect the interior of the book.

The label on the front of the box has a small very faint yellow stain from the bottom of the horse to the wording at the bottom. Additionally, there is a very faint mark at the top; to the left of the helmet of the rider on the horse.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:59 am 
 

Hummm...  The seller s position is getting more and more "very faint"...

What about rust?  Very faint rust as well?


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:20 pm 
 

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stratochamp wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
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Is it part of the eBay auction?  I do not see any photos of it in the auction.


No Scott, I mentioned the R4 because I was trying to correct what I believe to be a mislabeled rare, namely that the dot-matrix printout of R4 should not be lumped in with the commercially available official "prepublication" printings of R1-R3, but should be called something else. Then when Frank typed "The R4 in the picture" he meant the image shown in the Rares section on the Acaeum website, not an ebay auction listing. Sorry to be a source of confusion. I mean well.


Thanks for the clarifications Bill! Did I hear you were going to put up your prepubs for auction in order to test the valuation theories here?  :D  :)  :lol:  :P

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:34 pm 
 

umm, did you mean my pre-publication copies of R1-R3 or the (pre)pre-pulication copies of GDQ1-7 or Q1 (or I6...) :-)


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:24 am 
 

Interesting that the "Editorial Dept" copy of D3 has written by the map, "lighter blue, but not as light as D1". I wonder if they were trying to optimize the "non-photo blue" color: Non-photo blue - Wikipedia


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:51 pm 
 

I agree, strat, that's sort of what I was getting at. The printout isn't really a prepub.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:53 am 
 

Not sure if this should be here on in the silly price thread anymore. Saw this and thought people here who didn't see it already might be interested.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:34 am 
 

Marlith wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:Not sure if this should be here on in the silly price thread anymore. Saw this and thought people here who didn't see it already might be interested.


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One just went for $4K+, this one looks to be headed that way. A premium for sure, but not quite "silly."

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:48 pm 
 

Definitely not silly.  It's unlikely these will go for anything less than 3-4K for the foreseeable future, unless a glut of them hit the market.

This one is in really nice shape too.

  
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