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dbartman wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:This should be an interesting auction:


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Not many have come up in recent times.  Might not post outside the UK, but they would be silly not to do so.  This could require asking a UK friend for some help.




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Post Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:54 pm 
 

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Has anyone info on the printing? That set is beatiful but i doubt we have here a 3rd print given the first 3 bids...


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Has anyone info on the printing? That set is beatiful but i doubt we have here a 3rd print given the first 3 bids...


What I have from the seller so far; "Hello and thank you for your interest. My client told me he purchased the item at least 35 years ago from a war games shop in Minneapolis."  I asked about print information in the books.  If/when I get a reply I'll post it.  :D



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Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:33 am 
 

muaddib5 wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
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Has anyone info on the printing? That set is beatiful but i doubt we have here a 3rd print given the first 3 bids...


What I have from the seller so far; "Hello and thank you for your interest. My client told me he purchased the item at least 35 years ago from a war games shop in Minneapolis."  I asked about print information in the books.  If/when I get a reply I'll post it.  :D


This is what I heard back this morning:

Thank you for your interest.

The inside left cover of book one says:
Inquiries regarding rules should be accompanied by a stamped return envelope and sent to Tactical Studies Rules, 542 Sage Street, Lake Geneva, Wisconsin 53147

Right hand side pages has a short dedication and below that says: Illustrations by Keenan Powell, Greg Bell, C. Corey, D. Arneson and T. Keogh

Book Two on the inside left cover says the same as book one.

Inside cover of back of book one- says nothing

Inside cover; back of books 2 and 3: says Graphic Printing Company; Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.

There is no date printed.


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grodog wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
muaddib5 wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
What I have from the seller so far; "Hello and thank you for your interest. My client told me he purchased the item at least 35 years ago from a war games shop in Minneapolis."  I asked about print information in the books.  If/when I get a reply I'll post it.  :D


This is what I heard back this morning:

Thank you for your interest.

The inside left cover of book one says:
Inquiries regarding rules should be accompanied by a stamped return envelope and sent to Tactical Studies Rules, 542 Sage Street, Lake Geneva, Wisconsin 53147

Right hand side pages has a short dedication and below that says: Illustrations by Keenan Powell, Greg Bell, C. Corey, D. Arneson and T. Keogh

Book Two on the inside left cover says the same as book one.

Inside cover of back of book one- says nothing

Inside cover; back of books 2 and 3: says Graphic Printing Company; Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.

There is no date printed.


Basically the same response I also received this morning.



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Post Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:44 am 
 

So...  It s a first print!?!


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:54 am 
 

For the SWetist...


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Without any "real provenance" these are just garbage copies  :?


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:17 am 
 

Provenance would definitely help, but I can say, with a pretty high confidence level, that these are the real thing.  I've got a few of these myself, which I purchased off a ex-TSR employee, quite a few years ago, and they are almost identical.  Even some of the writing seems to be from the same person.  The age and placement of the tape, stickers, and the typing are virtually identical.

I do think price for this lot is rather ambitious though.  It would be good to know more about what actual editing/markups exist in the books.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:13 pm 
 

I have "many" (25+?) editing copies of TSR products. They actually show "editing" i.e. notations showing the changes between editions. Some of them are in very different stages of layout. The Gamma World 2nd ed box  shows copyright info and text moving all around the title page and redline corrections abound. Other ones are "pre-publication" editing versions that show changes prior to publication.

If the copies up for sale show any editorial changes, it would seem to me they have some value. If they are identical to existing modules with a sticker slapped on the cover, and then ravaged by 35 years of ill use, it would seem to me their value is....that of a reading copy of the modules. So yes, I would say their price is optimistic. By about $4700.

On a related note the "rares" listing for a pre-publication copy of R4 is rather misleading. That is a "pre-publication" editing version, which bears no resemblance to the R1-R3 "pre-publication" printings that were commercially available (albeit in very limited quantities).


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:34 pm 
 

You just don't run a couple of copies off the old offset press like you can do now with digital presses. They look like copies that were pulled from the full print run, then any mark-ups are made for subsequent print runs. I'm wavering on wether they should be called 'pre-production' at all. On one hand, that is something usually applied to things like mock-ups or galleys, but on the other, marking a prior printing might be considered that as well.

All things considered, I would think they would be very hard to find. After all, how many copies would have been pulled by the editorial staff for such a purpose? And more, how many survived the 'Great Purge' once the Williams administration got a hold of things?  :scratch:


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:04 pm 
 

Regarding the wood grain set mentioned earlier... Am I wrong in suspecting that this is indeed a first print alpha?  Because all signs point to it being just that, and in mighty fine shape, to boot. I'm wondering why it's not garnering more attention. Are bidders saving their energy until the last hours of the auction? Is it the seller's lack of a reputation? Or perhaps everyone's laying low, hoping that no one sees this gem and that a lucky someone steals this for a song?

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:40 am 
 

muaddib5 wrote in Interesting Items Currently on eBay:
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...so is it confirmed by anyone here that here we have a 1st alpha??


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:51 am 
 

From what the seller has stated, it's a First print alpha.  I think the problems are that A) no picture of the inside cover has been provided, so we're just going off the seller's word, B) low feedback seller, C) the seller took plenty of pictures, but seemingly intentionally omitted taking pictures of the inside cover (and indeed, even avoided mentioning anything that could identify the print in the auction text).  The seller can't even claim ignorance, since they cribbed portions of the description from here.

I have a bit of an uneasy feeling.  I imagine other big bidders feel the same.

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