deimos3428 wrote:The more data you have the more precise a model you can build, but I'm not sure it's less "valid", it's simply less precise.  You have to work with what data you have, and apply common sense, naturally.  

Validity is a statistical term, in contrast to reliability [what you're calling 'precision']. You don't have to work with what data you have. You could decide that the data isn't sufficient to be useful, & decline to work with it at all. It's essentially what you've described as the "apply common sense" part.

Small sample size, which we unquestionably have, hurts both validity & reliability.

Hulk smells semantics.

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HULK SMASH!

I think we sometimes get a bit carried away with valuations/rarity/print runs/whatever and lose sight of the fact that this stuff is mainly nonsense anyway! It's just a game that we all happen to love for many and various reasons; if anyone feels that they are losing sight of this you should do one of the following immediately -

1) Crack open a copy of B1 and actually read it (probably for the first time in many years)
2) Likewise, get hold of a DMG, and pick out a couple of sections at random to read. (I swear that everytime I open that book I find something new!)
3) try and remember the names of your first and/or most loved PC (Darion, got to 11th level as a magic user - happy days!)
4) Try and remember the name of the pregenerated characters in a TSR module (My Favourite list is from the back of G1-3 - Gleep Wurp, Fonkin Hoddypeak, Frush o'Suggill, Cloyer Bulse (The magsman), Redmod Dumple - bear in mind I haven't rolled a dice in anger in over a decade, and it's 5 O'clock in the morning!)
5) Thank your lucky stars that you collect games and not anything valuable - in our hobby $10000 gets you a handful of gems, or a container load of dross - $10000 in  a lot of other collecting hobbies doesn't even get you on the bottom rung.

(Now I'm going to spend my whole day trying to remember the rest of that party!!)

gyg wrote:(Now I'm going to spend my whole day trying to remember the rest of that party!!)

Beek Gwenders of somewhere - I think I'm missing 2, 1 a magic user ........

(currently resisting the urge to Google it - taxing the old memory like this is better that Brain Training on the DS)(Though if somone wants to give me clues by way of initials I reckon I could get them!)

I had a character with a ring of the ram.  I believe the correct answer is 20.  

Martin

Right-O, Pru! The range is 2-20 IIRC.
Borka the Jop sounds terribly familiar, Al. What was the program?

I am POSITIVE I've heard that name before. Googling it only brings up a site for cystic pancreatitis.....
Think, Al, think! Ya can't leave a brother hanging!

Could it have been Sorcerer's Island?

Had a character who was knighted "Sir Margoyle".  That worked out until he discovered that there was a nasty creature called by the same name. Shortly therafter he requested that his title be changed.