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Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:15 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:Serving something scalding hot does not seem to make sense to me.  She was either going to burn her face or her mouth.  I think the resturant has some portion of blame.  I can think of no food that should be or is recommended to be serve so hot as to cause 2nd degree burns.

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Quote from the article regarding temperature requirements:

"Government regulations require that our gravy meets the critical control point compliance requirements of temperatures between 140 degrees Fahrenheit and 165 degrees Fahrenheit," the franchisee stated. "We've confirmed that our Acton store continues to meet these food safety standards."


Quote from USDA recommended safe minimum internal temperatures:

Steaks & Roasts - 145 °F
Fish - 145 °F
Pork - 160 °F
Ground Beef - 160 °F
Egg Dishes - 160 °F
Chicken Breasts - 165 °F
Whole Poultry - 165 °F


Certain bacteria can survive temperatures of up to 160 degrees F.  They have to heat it that high or then they might really have a valid lawsuit on their hands.  Besides...would you rather they let the food sit on a tray for 5 or 10 minutes until it got cold?  Then you would have people complaining about the food being cold when they got it.  :?

No, what people need to do is use some common frickin' sense.  If something is too hot when they bring it to the table, take a few minutes and let it cool down or blow on it for a few seconds.  Unfortunately this girl had a seizure and went face down into a puddle of hot gravy.  You can't blame the establishment for that.  Not to mention the fact that if she had spilled the gravy on her hand we wouldnt be having this conversation right now since human skin texture and thickness on the face is different than on other parts of the body and is more susceptible to damage.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:19 pm 
 

Ever cooked anything whatsoever? If it does not burn you when you immediately touch/eat after you take it out of the fire/oven, it's not cooked. Especially meat.

It's long been common sense to let cooked food stand a few minutes to cool off a bit, and products you buy and cook yourself tell idiots to do this. Don't serve it hot? Then there would be complaints that they serve old, cold food. It's a no-win for KFC. Even food that has cooled somewhat can cause burns through prolonged exposure. How long was it before she was pulled off?

It's a bad situation to be in for her, but if she were to have had the seizure and got injured when she smacked her head on the table, should KFC be sued for having tables made too hard?

Dad is in it for the money. He wouldn't have immediately gone public otherwise. It would have been handled off the record via lawyers. It's the sympathy ploy so the court of public opinion gets involved, and that court is easily swayed into non-objectivity.

Sometimes there are no-fault situations. Personally, I avoid fast-food not because of service or anything, but because they do not serve food.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:46 pm 
 

Thanks, wavemotion.

That's an interesting deal and a great way for the game companies to help out in Haiti.

I'd been thinking I ought to contribute something and that was the perfect mix of self-interest and altruism.  (Being honest.)

If anyone else here is a customer of the pdf gaming market, this is a good opportunity and a nice bundle of items.




wavemotion wrote:I've not idea if this even belongs on the Acaeum but I figured it can't hurt to post in Chit Chat in case anyone has missed this mega offer. This has been all over the 'Geek this morning.

RPGNow is offering a Mega Bundle if you donate (via the link on their page) $20 for "Gamers Helping Haiti"

The idea is that you donate $20 via their Add-To-Cart and pay with paypal. You get a code that lets you download 120 PDFs that have been graciously "donated" (yes, they are electronic) by a slew of publishers. I can say that some of these PDFs suck, some are passable and others are amazing - thousands and thousands of pages of role-playing material. Among the more notable stuff is:

Apocalypse Prevention, Inc.
BASH! Basic Action Super Heroes
Beast Hunters RPG
Castlemourn Campaign Setting
Chronica Feudalis
Classic Spycraft: Worldbook and Handbook
Cortex System Role Playing Game
Dark Raiders of Misty Ridge (OSRIC!)
Diana: Warrior Princess
Ephemeris
Full Light, Full Steam (one of my favs - I paid $10 for this alone last year)
Karma Roleplaying System Core Rules Book
Kids, Castles & Caves
Labyrinths & Lycanthropes
MADS Role Playing Game
MARS: Savage Worlds Edition (awesome)
MonkeyGod Presents: From Stone to Steel
Privateers and Pirates
QAGS Second Edition
Reign of Discordia (Traveller Edition)
Roma Imperious
Serenity Roleplaying Game (woot!)
Spirit of the Season
Summerland Revised and Expanded Edition
The Kerberos Club
The Fate of Inglemia - Superlink Edition
Three Sixteen: Carnage Amongst the Stars (think... Starship Troopers)
Thrilling Tales 2nd Edition (Savage Worlds)
Trail of Cthulhu Player's Guide

and a metric buttload more it seems.

It looks like they have raised almost US$20,000 in the past 15 hours and their servers have been brought to their knees (the main page below says to please wait a few days after donation to actually start downloading the files to help the servers stay online).

The main page is here:

http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php? ... &SRC=haiti

And the list of 120 or so games is here:

http://www.rpgnow.com/rpg_haiti.php?page=1

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:49 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote:Ever cooked anything whatsoever? If it does not burn you when you immediately touch/eat after you take it out of the fire/oven, it's not cooked. Especially meat.

It's long been common sense to let cooked food stand a few minutes to cool off a bit, and products you buy and cook yourself tell idiots to do this. Don't serve it hot? Then there would be complaints that they serve old, cold food. It's a no-win for KFC. Even food that has cooled somewhat can cause burns through prolonged exposure. How long was it before she was pulled off?

It's a bad situation to be in for her, but if she were to have had the seizure and got injured when she smacked her head on the table, should KFC be sued for having tables made too hard?

Dad is in it for the money. He wouldn't have immediately gone public otherwise. It would have been handled off the record via lawyers. It's the sympathy ploy so the court of public opinion gets involved, and that court is easily swayed into non-objectivity.

Sometimes there are no-fault situations. Personally, I avoid fast-food not because of service or anything, but because they do not serve food.


I have to agree, SimperingToad.

Just because something bad happened it does not follow that someone is at fault.  It's a no-win situation for KFC.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:29 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Thanks, wavemotion.

That's an interesting deal and a great way for the game companies to help out in Haiti.

I'd been thinking I ought to contribute something and that was the perfect mix of self-interest and altruism.  (Being honest.)

If anyone else here is a customer of the pdf gaming market, this is a good opportunity and a nice bundle of items.



While it's always good to donate to a charitable cause, it's also worth investigating the charity to see just how much of your donation makes it to the needy people and how much is eaten in overhead.  I've heard some charities having as much as 93% of your donation reach the actual cause, while others are only around 50%.  I haven't investigated this charity, so I don't know where it stands in the mix, but when I donate I like for my contribution to make the most bang for the buck rather than lining someone else's pockets as an overhead expense.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:42 am 
 

Coincedentally, in my local paper this morning:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/st ... yID=891100

This guy was an out and out crook, but still, he posed as a charity to get people to give him cash and that hammers home the lesson:  Find out who you're giving money to beforehand.

And yes, some legitimate charities out there are very good at collecting money but very bad at actually getting that money to the people who need it.  United Way is one of the high profile orgs that is notorious for this.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:39 am 
 

Rabbit_67 wrote:While it's always good to donate to a charitable cause, it's also worth investigating the charity to see just how much of your donation makes it to the needy people and how much is eaten in overhead.  I've heard some charities having as much as 93% of your donation reach the actual cause, while others are only around 50%.  I haven't investigated this charity, so I don't know where it stands in the mix, but when I donate I like for my contribution to make the most bang for the buck rather than lining someone else's pockets as an overhead expense.

Agreed. Though I'll admit this deal was so sweet that I donated first, looked up the percentages later.  Their FAQ (no idea if it is accurate of course) claims:

Between 1995 and 2006, Doctors Without Borders USA allocated more than 85 percent of its expenditures to its program activities. Maintaining this standard is a high priority. In 2006, 86.63% of our spending was directed toward our program services.

For me, the deal of that many PDFs for potentially helping seemed too good to pass up. Plus the 'Geek is matching Geek Gold for the donation ;)

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:24 am 
 

Agent Cooper wrote:Coincedentally, in my local paper this morning:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/st ... yID=891100

This guy was an out and out crook, but still, he posed as a charity to get people to give him cash and that hammers home the lesson:  Find out who you're giving money to beforehand.

And yes, some legitimate charities out there are very good at collecting money but very bad at actually getting that money to the people who need it.  United Way is one of the high profile orgs that is notorious for this.

The Red Cross is as well. I recall reading a few articles when 9-11 happened, they siphoned off a hoard of cash to non-involved people like gun control groups, and just flat out kept a gob of funds.

I also hear tell the Salvation Army has about a 90% track record of sending donations to where they are supposed to go.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:25 am 
 

In the case of RPGNow....this isn't some dude coming to my door for donations.  This is a company I buy from and communicate with all the time...over a period of some years.

Among all the sci-fi, and wanna-be cyberpunk drek materials in this bundle are things like Roma Imperious and other items that add up to much more than the paltry $20 donation.

Since the goods are all electronic, there is virtually no overhead...and RPGNow is graciously willing to deal with the technical headache of thousands of people downloading at the same time.

I am more confident about Doctors Without Borders (a well-established charity...and I happen to know doctors who have participated) than I am about the Red Cross.

This is a fine way for gamers to contribute.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:28 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:In the case of RPGNow....this isn't some dude coming to my door for donations.  This is a company I buy from and communicate with all the time...over a period of some years.

Among all the sci-fi, and wanna-be cyberpunk drek materials in this bundle are things like Roma Imperious and other items that add up to much more than the paltry $20 donation.

Since the goods are all electronic, there is virtually no overhead...and RPGNow is graciously willing to deal with the technical headache of thousands of people downloading at the same time.

I am more confident about Doctors Without Borders (a well-established charity...and I happen to know doctors who have participated) than I am about the Red Cross.

This is a fine way for gamers to contribute.


Both Doctors Without Borders and The Salvation Army are good 'uns. The American Diabeties Association does really good work, as does Ronald McDonald House (I've been personally involved in the last two so I can truthfully say your money goes to a good cause).

I'm less confident of The Red Cross but I wouldn't feel ripped off donating to them because the cash would eventually got to a good cause somewhere.

I wouldn't give the United Way a used can of beans.  Look them up on google or wiki to see the kind of history they have stealing your money. I admit I"m biased as I've had personal experience (through my place of business) of their sleazy tactics in raising donations. But IMO there are far better charities.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:50 pm 
 

OK, I know in the current grand scheme of things, this is a very small event, but for me and my family it is significant.

I'm doing a charity walk, arranged by myself, at Easter. It's 87 miles in 4 days (seemed to be a good idea at the time) and is in aid of my local hospitals special care baby unit.

They looked after both my boys when they were born prematurely, 5 & 6 weeks respectively. The youngest was under 5lbs and spent 2 weeks in there (although now, aged 2, he is an absolute beast in size!!)  :lol:

Anywho, my direct donation page is now up and the money donated there goes direct to the hospital unit. If you are a UK resident, Gift Aid adds to the donation. Justgiving (from how I understand it) make sure the whole cash donation gets to the charity and then a small percentage is taken from the Gift Aid as their handling etc.

http://www.justgiving.com/Chalky-13

If anyone does wish to donate, I know it would be hugely appreciated by myself and the Unit.

Or just comments and support are also welcome, as I'm beginning to see 22 miles a day as a big ask!!

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:33 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:OK, I know in the current grand scheme of things, this is a very small event, but for me and my family it is significant.

I'm doing a charity walk, arranged by myself, at Easter. It's 87 miles in 4 days (seemed to be a good idea at the time) and is in aid of my local hospitals special care baby unit.

They looked after both my boys when they were born prematurely, 5 & 6 weeks respectively. The youngest was under 5lbs and spent 2 weeks in there (although now, aged 2, he is an absolute beast in size!!)  :lol:

Anywho, my direct donation page is now up and the money donated there goes direct to the hospital unit. If you are a UK resident, Gift Aid adds to the donation. Justgiving (from how I understand it) make sure the whole cash donation gets to the charity and then a small percentage is taken from the Gift Aid as their handling etc.

http://www.justgiving.com/Chalky-13

If anyone does wish to donate, I know it would be hugely appreciated by myself and the Unit.

Or just comments and support are also welcome, as I'm beginning to see 22 miles a day as a big ask!!

Cheers
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Great idea!

I'll even toss in another 5 pounds if the Vikes lose this weekend.... :twisted:

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:28 pm 
 

Not gonna happen Mike  :lol:

thanks for the offer though, so may have a word with my man Bret, to see what he can screw up!  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:27 pm 
 

We're all screwed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100120/ap_ ... of_sitting

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:17 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:

I wouldn't give the United Way a used can of beans.  Look them up on google or wiki to see the kind of history they have stealing your money. I admit I"m biased as I've had personal experience (through my place of business) of their sleazy tactics in raising donations. But IMO there are far better charities.

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What a surprise.. all of the criticism has been edited out.....

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:09 pm 
 

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What a surprise.. all of the criticism has been edited out.....

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LOL I noticed that too.  These two spots tell the story, apparently the UW apologists haven't gotten to them yet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Suer

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/05/national/05WAY.html?ei=5007&en=235e142f1d341460&ex=1393909200&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1179080883-QBmhmzFgXc7Z6XaWETRF1Q

William Aramony was a golfing buddy of the president of the company I worked for.  We used to get gentle reminders throughout the year in our paycheck envelopes to donate to the UW, and pre-filled donation cards sent to our home address. I understand many companies did the same thing up until the scandal broke in the early 90s.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:07 pm 
 

You are right about the United Way, Mike.  I speak from personal experience.

If anyone is still looking for a worthy beneficiary, I'd like to recommend Partners in Health.  http://www.standwithhaiti.org/haiti

My daughter's roommate has spent much time in Haiti pursuing her Latin American studies doctorate, and knows these folks. They have been there for many years, and I hope they can make my small contribution count for something.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:48 pm 
 

In the news recently there there was(is) a charity in Australia that actually gave less than 1% of contributions.. all the rest of it got used in expences..

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