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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:09 am 
 

Lots of snow here (4Oish miles SW of London)  but quite frankly, I've had enough of it... roads are crap with too many idiots driving badly!
Although with my work, I can see a busy time ahead when I can get out again, had to abandon the car today, 1hr to get a mile from home!


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:42 pm 
 

Well, since Lane Kiffin took a gigantic shite on the University of Tennessee football program today (the real UT, btw), looks like the AD is locking onto the other UT's defensive coordinator and head-coach-in-waiting Will Muschamp.  I just can't get excited about a defensive coordinator as a head coach.  Can anyone change my mind?

For better or worse, I am a big John Gruden fan.  I think they should have tabbed him last time and my opinion today hasn't changed.  Unfortunately, I think Gruden is a "pro guy" and won't take a college gig.  Trying to think out of the box, rather than regurgitate what the talking heads are prophesying, would Jason Garret (Dallas Cowboys Offensive Coordinator) be able to run a college program?  I know he has gotten much ire from Cowboys fans the last two years.  Have I taken too many shots to the head thinking he could pull off a college head coaching job?

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:27 pm 
 

Avurax wrote:I just can't get excited about a defensive coordinator as a head coach.  Can anyone change my mind?


Why not?  "Defense wins championships."  At least that is what I read somewhere.  And if defense doesn't win championships, an overwhelming offense does (2005 BCS title game - Texas vs. USC).  Based on what I know (which isnt all that much mind you) of current and former championship coaches I think a defensive coordinator would be just as successful in the head coaching position as an offensive coordinator.  Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, Bill Parcells, and Tom Landry were all defensive coordinators at one time.  I know that Bill Walsh was an offensive coordinator at one point with the Chargers but he is the only one off the top of my head that had any major success as a head coach.

Will Muschamp as Tennessee head coach?  Hadnt read that yet and I seriously doubt it will happen.  But even if it does, I dont see him being a great head coach.  I dont think he is all that great a defensive coordinator.  He has had some very good talent in his time at Texas and they have had a decent defensive squad but their numbers are skewed due to the pathetic non-conference schedule they play.  So what if they held Louisiana-Monroe to 12 yards rushing and 62 yards passing (made those numbers up by the way)?  It's Louisiana-Monroe for chrissakes.

Gruden is a good coach IMO.  I also dont see him taking a job with a college either especially with that nice cushy ESPN job he currently has.

And before I forget...Lane Kiffin is a douchebag.  He will ruin USC.  Why would any decent prospect want to play under him?  Same with Mike Leach.  He will probably be coaching at some relatively unknown school or the CFL next year.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:00 pm 
 

Nick Saban was a defensive coordinator.  And, he is the only living college football coach to win the National Championship at two different schools.  And, no one can argue that Alabama's offense won that game, lol.  Roll Tide.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:41 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Will Muschamp as Tennessee head coach?  Hadnt read that yet and I seriously doubt it will happen.  


I agree.  Let's see, Mack Brown was paid 5 million a year to coach at Texas?  There's not too many programs that approach that kind of pay, even Tennessee.  A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.  I think he'll stay and do a fine job.  After all, he graduated from UGA.  8)


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:48 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Gruden is a good coach IMO.  I also dont see him taking a job with a college either especially with that nice cushy ESPN job he currently has.


I doubt his ESPN job pays like a head coach job.

If his on-air personna is anything like his actual personality....Gruden is moron.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:04 am 
 

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I doubt his ESPN job pays like a head coach job.

If his on-air personna is anything like his actual personality....Gruden is moron.


I can't imagine Gruden, going from a coaching position where he was very successful to a sportscaster position for any significant cut in pay.  Why would he do that when he could supposedly make more as a coach?  He has said in interviews that he loves coaching and wants to get back to it so why hasnt he?  Probably because ESPN/ABC gave him an amount he couldnt refuse that would have been equal to or better than a coaches salary for some small market team like Cleveland or Buffalo that would take him years to rebuild.

Let's see....cushy job as a color commentator for Monday night games where I get to sit in a warm booth talking shop with the dork twins Mike Tirico and Ron Jaworski.  Or do I get back in the saddle in Buffalo where I will most likely freeze my ass off every other day while having to put up with a bunch of whiny prima donnas like Terrell Owens and worry if tomorrow is the day I finally succumb to a stroke while yelling at the sorry ass team I inherited from the last pathetic coach that was here?

Seems like a no-brainer to me.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:38 am 
 

He's probably still collecting the last part of his salary from the Buccaneers.  If he takes a coaching job elsewhere he loses the contract money.  That's usually how it works.  

No way does a network pay anywhere near the millions a pro coach makes.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:29 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:He's probably still collecting the last part of his salary from the Buccaneers.  If he takes a coaching job elsewhere he loses the contract money.  That's usually how it works.  

No way does a network pay anywhere near the millions a pro coach makes.


This makes sense to me.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:52 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:No way does a network pay anywhere near the millions a pro coach makes.


Tell that to John Madden.  When he retired he was making $9.5 million per year as a broadcaster.  Head coaches in the NFL don't make nearly that much.  Mike Shanahan, arguably one of the most sought after head coaches is going to make approximately $7 million per year with the Redskins.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14127983

No, of course not all broadcasters make as much money as head coaches make.  But on the flip side of that you have a lot of head coaches not making near the same amount of money that guys like Chris Berman, Al Michaels, and Bob Costas make (Al was making @3 mil per year in 2006 according to this article:  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/sport ... ready.html).  This Forbes article from last year has several salaries listed for the top NFL coaches (NFL is about halfway down the page):

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/13/highes ... s-nba.html

At the time, Lovie Smith and Jeff Fisher were the two highest paid head coaches at $5.5 million per year.  Just like any other job it depends on how successful you are, how well you kiss ass, and how many years you have been at it.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:31 am 
 

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If his on-air personna is anything like his actual personality....Gruden is moron.


I actually like Gruden on air. He's a bit over the top and obnoxious, but he know his stuff when he talks.  With that said, I believe his on air personality isn't much different when he's not on the air, so I'm not sure I'd want him coaching my favorite football team.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:33 am 
 

Oh and Lane Kiffin is an absolute assclown.  

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a Tennessee fan, but what he did was pure garbage.  I will love watching him fail miserably at USC.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:18 am 
 

Even if broadcasting doesn't pay as much as coaching, (which is not really a given)  it's a MUCH better gig.  It still pays ALOT, and without the huge responsibility and pressure of a head coaching job.

I've heard it said that being an NFL head coach, at each regular season game you experience as much mental and emotional stress damage to the body as you would being a high level executive of a fortune 500 company for one YEAR.  And I tend to believe this is true.  These guys are under alot of pressure to win.  Put yourself in a big market like NY and you could probably double that stress level.

And seriously, after you've already made your first 9 or 10 million dollars, what difference does it make if you only make 2-3 million more.  You're already set for life many times over, so what can it really matter to these people?   Why put yourself through the coaching ringer ever again?


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:26 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:
I actually like Gruden on air. He's a bit over the top and obnoxious, but he know his stuff when he talks.  With that said, I believe his on air personality isn't much different when he's not on the air, so I'm not sure I'd want him coaching my favorite football team.  :wink:


If I thought that personality was a good indicator of if someone could coach or not, Wade Phillips wouldn't get a vote of confidence from me.  The way he talks during interviews reminds me of the little black woman from the Police Academy movies....at least when she isn't screaming.  He must have the emotional range of a tree sloth.

And although I think he has had a lot to do with the success of Dallas' defense recently, I give Keith Brooking a lot of the credit for being the leader that they sorely needed.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:30 am 
 

Agent Cooper wrote:I've heard it said that being an NFL head coach, at each regular season game you experience as much mental and emotional stress damage to the body as you would being a high level executive of a fortune 500 company for one YEAR.  And I tend to believe this is true.  These guys are under alot of pressure to win.  Put yourself in a big market like NY and you could probably double that stress level.

What's really sad is that the NFL could avoid all of this stress with only a couple yards of yellow participant ribbon.  You're all winners, guys, c'mon.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:57 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:
If I thought that personality was a good indicator of if someone could coach or not, Wade Phillips wouldn't get a vote of confidence from me.  The way he talks during interviews reminds me of the little black woman from the Police Academy movies....at least when she isn't screaming.  He must have the emotional range of a tree sloth.

And although I think he has had a lot to do with the success of Dallas' defense recently, I give Keith Brooking a lot of the credit for being the leader that they sorely needed.


I was speaking more towards the arrogant in your face, loose cannon act.  I would think that routine would wear thin amongst the players very quickly.  His arrogance also seems to get in the way sometimes of him making sound personnel decisions as evidenced by the fact that he always liked to have a stable of washed up QBs he could randomly interchange at his own whim over the last several years in TB.

Don't get me wrong he's really a bright guy, but I would think he'd be much better as a Offensive Coordinator, than a Head Coach.  I like his passion, but he has a massive ego that I know would be hard to deal with, especially in a room with a bunch of other guys that have massive egos.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:08 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:
Tell that to John Madden.  When he retired he was making $9.5 million per year as a broadcaster.  Head coaches in the NFL don't make nearly that much.  Mike Shanahan, arguably one of the most sought after head coaches is going to make approximately $7 million per year with the Redskins.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14127983

No, of course not all broadcasters make as much money as head coaches make.  But on the flip side of that you have a lot of head coaches not making near the same amount of money that guys like Chris Berman, Al Michaels, and Bob Costas make (Al was making @3 mil per year in 2006 according to this article:  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/sport ... ready.html).  This Forbes article from last year has several salaries listed for the top NFL coaches (NFL is about halfway down the page):

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/13/highes ... s-nba.html

At the time, Lovie Smith and Jeff Fisher were the two highest paid head coaches at $5.5 million per year.  Just like any other job it depends on how successful you are, how well you kiss ass, and how many years you have been at it.


Wow, that's a lot more money than I would have figured for broadcasters.  

If they paid a million for Gruden's stupid behavior they are fools.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:40 pm 
 

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I was speaking more towards the arrogant in your face, loose cannon act.  I would think that routine would wear thin amongst the players very quickly.  His arrogance also seems to get in the way sometimes of him making sound personnel decisions as evidenced by the fact that he always liked to have a stable of washed up QBs he could randomly interchange at his own whim over the last several years in TB.

Don't get me wrong he's really a bright guy, but I would think he'd be much better as a Offensive Coordinator, than a Head Coach.  I like his passion, but he has a massive ego that I know would be hard to deal with, especially in a room with a bunch of other guys that have massive egos.


There is a lot of evidence guys like Gruden, Jimmy Johnson, etc wear out their welcome pretty fast.  Hell, there is lot of talk that the Cowboys were even tuning out Parcells his last year here.  The in your face motivator works for awhile, but if you have the same players, I figure it plays pretty thin. Probably a good strategy for this type of coach on younger players rather than vets.

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