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Post Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:22 pm 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I'd rather watch paint dry than either football or soccer. Just saying. And as far as the youth angle, involving your child in either is asking for brain injuries. I'm all for physical fitness among the yutes, but swimming, track, and martial arts (heh, no real contact) is where it's at.


You can say whatever you want, but don't ever suggest or imply that I am "asking for brain injuries" to my child or any other.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:03 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Soccer has become quite a bit more popular in the U.S. since the 70's.  


True.  Soccer is the most popular girls' sport in the US.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:49 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:You can say whatever you want, but don't ever suggest or imply that I am "asking for brain injuries" to my child or any other.


You brought up the topic of injuries to children from playing football. When you raise a topic for discussion, others may respond. That's the basic principle of human communication.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:04 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I'd rather watch paint dry than either football or soccer. Just saying. And as far as the youth angle, involving your child in either is asking for brain injuries. I'm all for physical fitness among the yutes, but swimming, track, and martial arts (heh, no real contact) is where it's at.


Why not just stick all the kiddies in a large movable plastic ball so they can't possibly hurt themselves or each other. Yeeesh. It's thinking like this that has all organized sports banned from our local elementary school (including kickball and tetherball) so during gym or recess the kids are allowed to only wander mindlessly across a stretch of asphalt or in a gym, unable to compete with each other.  Well, except on "field day" when they have races and competitions designed so as not to hurt anyone, all the way to the point of giving "participation ribbons" (don't want to hurt their feelings on top of maybe a skinned knee).

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:54 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I'm all for physical fitness among the yutes, but swimming, track, and martial arts (heh, no real contact) is where it's at.

We didnt have a swim team where I lived but I participated in track during the football offseason.  Surprisingly I saw more serious injuries running track for four years than I did playing football for eight.  The only serious football injury that occured during the time I was playing was a neck injury that a kid got because he ducked his head and tried to spear an opposing player with his helmet instead of tackling him like he was taught.  I recall a few minor injuries as well.  I fractured my thumb but it didnt cause me any discernable pain or problems.  There was another kid that twisted his knee to the point he couldnt play the rest of the year, but he also had some screwy birth defects like cartilage where bones should have been, so that probably contributed.  All the other injuries were minor bumps and bruises.

Running track I saw a kid get whacked in the back of the head with a shot put ball.  He was unconcious for half an hour and had to be rushed to the hospital by ambulance.  One of our coaches got hit with a discus in the leg and had to use crutches for a week.  A friend of mine broke his ankle during triple jump practice.  Another kid had to get stiches when he blundered the pole vault and the crossbar landed on his head.  The worst thing I saw though was a kid from a rival town that had a brain aneurysm running the mile.  Luckily she lived but that was quite shocking to see her just fall over like a sack of potatoes after running around the curve of the track.  I'm just glad they didnt have the javelin or hammer throw in high school.

I'm all for competitive sports whether they include potentially dangerous contact or not.  We take away team contact sports and the next thing you know entire future generations of kids will be afraid of getting hurt, afraid of taking risks and wont be able to work well with other people.

And what the hell is up with martial arts and no contact?  That is just retarded.  I know they teach you how martial arts is all about discipline and respect, but its also about learning how to defend yourself from some douchebag who wants to beat your face to a pulp.  Either that or my Tae-kwon-do instructor was a lying sack.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:43 am 
 

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MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I'm all for physical fitness among the yutes, but swimming, track, and martial arts (heh, no real contact) is where it's at.

We didnt have a swim team where I lived but I participated in track during the football offseason.  Surprisingly I saw more serious injuries running track for four years than I did playing football for eight.  The only serious football injury that occured during the time I was playing was a neck injury that a kid got because he ducked his head and tried to spear an opposing player with his helmet instead of tackling him like he was taught.  I recall a few minor injuries as well.  I fractured my thumb but it didnt cause me any discernable pain or problems.  There was another kid that twisted his knee to the point he couldnt play the rest of the year, but he also had some screwy birth defects like cartilage where bones should have been, so that probably contributed.  All the other injuries were minor bumps and bruises.

Running track I saw a kid get whacked in the back of the head with a shot put ball.  He was unconcious for half an hour and had to be rushed to the hospital by ambulance.  One of our coaches got hit with a discus in the leg and had to use crutches for a week.  A friend of mine broke his ankle during triple jump practice.  Another kid had to get stiches when he blundered the pole vault and the crossbar landed on his head.  The worst thing I saw though was a kid from a rival town that had a brain aneurysm running the mile.  Luckily she lived but that was quite shocking to see her just fall over like a sack of potatoes after running around the curve of the track.  I'm just glad they didnt have the javelin or hammer throw in high school.

I'm all for competitive sports whether they include potentially dangerous contact or not.  We take away team contact sports and the next thing you know entire future generations of kids will be afraid of getting hurt, afraid of taking risks and wont be able to work well with other people.

And what the hell is up with martial arts and no contact?  That is just retarded.  I know they teach you how martial arts is all about discipline and respect, but its also about learning how to defend yourself from some douchebag who wants to beat your face to a pulp.  Either that or my Tae-kwon-do instructor was a lying sack.


I was about to say the two worst injuries I ever saw in high school sports were track injuries...one a guy going full speed on the hurdles who caught one with his foot and then went straight into the cinder like propelled from a cannon (yikes).  He looked like a truck hit him and had to be carted off on a stretcher. The other was  friend of mine who played soccer and also did track meets. He was a muscular guy, and he did shot put and (oddly) pole vault.  All he did was accidentally drop a 12 lb shot on his foot (warming up for a meet).  Fractured his foot and broke a couple of his toes including his big toe, which apparently really sucks.  He was out of sports the rest of the year.

I absolutely sucked at sports, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut.  Two of my best moments in elementary school were when I won first place in the sack race two years in a row, and when our 6th grade boys volleyball team won won a round robin tournament against 3 other elementary schools in our district (each school fielded two teams, so you had 8 teams total).  You had to win three games to take the "trophy" and our team of misfits, non-athletes and goofballs won against all odds (luckily, in elementary school volleyball if you just serve the ball over the net most of the time you get the point, at least that was our secret).  Imagine the self-esteem boost if schools still actually gave out first, 2nd and 3rd place ribbons for these events.  Instead my grandkid comes home with generic blue "You're a winner!" participation ribbons in all the events he entered in his school's track meet, even though he's telling me he won all the running events he entered.  But hey, no one has to worry that they "lost" at anything!  They are all winners!  Which obviously serves them well in life, because we ALL know success is guaranteed in life!

Anyone who doesn't think schools are now all about promoting the mediocre and sub-standard instead of praising and encouraging achievement is deluding themselves.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:49 am 
 

BTW this tirade is not meant to disparage people like Formcritic or Bill's wife who are teachers.  Individual educators can still make a huge difference in kid's lives.  Unfortunately the system the way it is set up now thwarts their best efforts in many instances.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:48 pm 
 

Making everyone a winner breeds mediocrity and slothfulness.  The trend needs to be stopped.  It's against everything the U.S. was built upon and what has made us successful.  Sure, there are negative aspects to competition, but it's absolutely necessary for continuous improvement and survival.

This isn't meant to disparage anyone.  I come from a family of educators.  But, sometimes the best of intentions are founded on flawed principles.

In regard to martial arts, there are a whole range of "contacts" practiced, depending on the style, school and individual preference of the instructor.  Most schools and styles that practice "kumite" or sparring, allow for some level of contact, usually light, progressing to harder contact, as the student matures in age and experience.  It's not necessary to have contact, since the skills can learned without actual contact.  But, it does help to experience the contact so that the student actually understands the reality of what they are learning, which is to protect themselves in a real-world situation.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:00 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:BTW this tirade is not meant to disparage people like Formcritic or Bill's wife who are teachers.  Individual educators can still make a huge difference in kid's lives.  Unfortunately the system the way it is set up now thwarts their best efforts in many instances.

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Or unbeknowst to you I was one of those teachers for awhile (grade 9-10 algebra). I find your original tirade extremely appropriate. I had students who literally could not do the times tables. Not solve multiplication problems (they couldn't do that either), but use a multiplication table to solve multiplication problems. Teaching them Algebra was required by the state, but they honestly had no business being in a HS classroom.

Long story short I had a parent teacher conference with a girl I had given an 'F' to on her first exam. Her mother comes in and demands that I be fired, because her daughter was good a math and she could prove it. I had no idea what she meant, all her daughters test proved to me was that she couldn't or was too lazy to add. So I brought another copy of the test in case they wanted me to have her retake it to prove it to me. Nope, all the mother wanted me to do was look at her 8th grade Math Achiever Award Certificate. I offered to let her daughter retake the test, figuring that it was laziness. The mother would have none of it and said the daughter should be given an 'A' since I was obviously an incompetent teacher, and have her transferred to the next highest level of math (and to another teacher). At this point, the counselor told the mother that was fine, if she got an A on my arithmetic test first. Well she got another F and the mother refused to budge pointing out the certificate and how my test was biased etc.

I didn't stay much longer as a math teacher, but that's only one example of how students who never failed became students who were unteachable.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:02 pm 
 

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bbarsh wrote:You can say whatever you want, but don't ever suggest or imply that I am "asking for brain injuries" to my child or any other.


You brought up the topic of injuries to children from playing football. When you raise a topic for discussion, others may respond. That's the basic principle of human communication.


I did? I pointedly stayed away from talking about injuries. That can be a valid discussion and already several posts on it. I have coached youth sports for almost 15 years and when get a response that I put kids in position to get a brain injury is nothing short of insulting. I make a point of not telling people how to raise their kids. Apparently not everyone shares that philosophy. Again, suggesting that I am asking for a brain injury to my child or any other is nothing short of...well...I don't want to leap to assumptions. Could just be Internet fog of communication.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:15 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:Could just be Internet fog of communication.

I think you are on to something there considering this is what MS posted:

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:And as far as the youth angle, involving your child in either is asking for brain injuries.

Sure, if you allow your kids to play football, basketball, hockey, baseball or pretty much any sport that involves projectiles, hard surfaces or other people, there is always the possibility of injury whether it be minor or mortal.  Your child could win a ping pong match against another kid at the rec center and get a brain injury when the aforementioned kid decides he didnt like losing and proceeds to bury his ping pong paddle in the back of your kid's head.  Oh and swimming is so safe.  Your kid might slip on a wet surface at the pool, crack his skull on the edge, and fall into the pool and drown.  Or maybe they might pull a "Louganis", smack the back of their noggin on the edge of the ten meter platform and go blind for the rest of their life.  Hell, I read a news article a few years back about a high school football player that got an abrasion on his arm from skidding on artificial turf.  The kid ended up dying from a staph infection.

Point is, there is a possibility of getting killed or maimed doing just about anything.  People die from straining too hard on the crapper every day.  Educate your kids about the dangers of playing football or soccer or whatever they are interested in and let them choose for themselves what they want to do.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:48 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:  People die from straining too hard on the crapper every day.


I'm going to need to see some PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence before I let that one slide..... :lol:

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:24 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:57 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:25 pm 
 

Nogrod wrote: Well she got another F and the mother refused to budge pointing out the certificate and how my test was biased etc.

And then I get them in college...

It's easy to underestimate how damaging this is to the fabric of the country, as is insulating your children from health risks. The country is on a track to implode and these "innocent" trends, in aggregate, will end up making it happen.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:06 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:I did? I pointedly stayed away from talking about injuries..Could just be Internet fog of communication.


Yes you did, see your original post on the topic:

bbarsh wrote:It is not that kids don't want to play. Parents don't want them to play. I hear this all the time. Nobody likes seeing their kid get hit and come off the field crying and hurt (not injured, but hurt). I have lived it for eight years. It never gets easy to see my kid, or any of my players, get hit and get hurt (again, not talking injuries). But when that player shakes it off and begs to get right back in, well, that is magic.


This is your typical style of rhetoric, to deny saying whatever it is you said previously. In the post above, you deny talking about what you're talking about while you're saying it, then a few posts later deny talking about it in the first place. Other than such phenomena, many of your posts here consist of defending yourself from people who claim they sent you money for books they never received. Is there a pattern here?

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:46 am 
 

Seems more probable that someone doesnt understand the specific differences between being hurt and injured as it pertains to sports.  :|


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:27 am 
 

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bbarsh wrote:I did? I pointedly stayed away from talking about injuries..Could just be Internet fog of communication.


Yes you did, see your original post on the topic:

bbarsh wrote:It is not that kids don't want to play. Parents don't want them to play. I hear this all the time. Nobody likes seeing their kid get hit and come off the field crying and hurt (not injured, but hurt). I have lived it for eight years. It never gets easy to see my kid, or any of my players, get hit and get hurt (again, not talking injuries). But when that player shakes it off and begs to get right back in, well, that is magic.


This is your typical style of rhetoric, to deny saying whatever it is you said previously. In the post above, you deny talking about what you're talking about while you're saying it, then a few posts later deny talking about it in the first place. Other than such phenomena, many of your posts here consist of defending yourself from people who claim they sent you money for books they never received. Is there a pattern here?


Style of post. WTF are you talking about?

Here it is in black and white...you even pulled the damn quote. There is no denial. Read the post you quoted.

...hurt (not injured, but hurt). I have lived it for eight years. It never gets easy to see my kid, or any of my players, get hit and get hurt (again, not talking injuries).


Getting hurt is not the same thing as getting injured. There is difference. Getting a booboo or dinged is getting hurt. Getting an injury that requires a visit to the doctor, ER, etc. is something completely different. I hope this helps.

Seems more probable that someone doesnt understand the specific differences between being hurt and injured as it pertains to sports.  

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